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vinyl siding problem

| Posted in General Discussion on July 20, 2000 12:35pm

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> While installing vinyl siding under my eaves, the nailing flange on the last piece falls right on the face of the undersill trim. this makes another piece too small to cut down and no space to nail the top piece without the nails going through both the trim and the top piece. Has anyone run into this or are there any suggestions?

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  1. Guest_ | Jul 20, 2000 02:18am | #1

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    Eric,

    Do you have the punch tool that cuts and deforms the cut edge of a normal final course so that it snaps into the trim and stays put? If not, get one.

    Cut off the nailing flange of the last course so it fits below the trim. You can cut off about an inch. Then cut a thin strip from a new piece of siding (use scrap first to see how much) then deform the edge of that strip with the punch, hook the strip to the last full course and push it up into the trim until it snaps home. Punch every 3 or 4 inches and that should be enough to hold up everything. I can only assume you are using the proper trim strip that allows this technique.

    1. Guest_ | Jul 20, 2000 02:25am | #2

      *eric, If the nailing slot would be hidden by the undersill trim you can just crimp it and shove it up into the trim. If it's a double (folded over) nailing flange, you would have to slit the top off where it folds. If you do have to cut a very small piece, a double undersill trim would work better. Sounds like you only have to fudge a little so maybe playing with the trim at the top would work.

  2. Jeff_Albrecht | Jul 20, 2000 02:33am | #3

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    Will someone recommend a vinyl siding thickness for Pasco, WA?

  3. Guest_ | Jul 20, 2000 03:38am | #4

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    Eric,

    I do not like use undersill at the transition from the siding to the soffit on eave walls.

    My preferred method is to first attempt to have as close to full laps as possible under and above windows, and at the eaves by adjusting my starter course. This would be true for all types of siding, but is not always possible. The cleanest look is to run the siding up behind the soffit receiver ('j' or 'f' channel) cut slots a hole punch and blind nail behind the channel. A good trick is to rip the siding in such a way that the holes line up with the holes in the 'f' if you can, then drive the nail through both to save time and eliminate puckering.

    If for some reason I would end up with a narrow rip at the top such as you have, I have an alternate solution. Rip the nail flange off as high as you can, cut slots and nail the final course on. Out of matching coil stock (normally the siding color) cut maybe 3 or 4 inch strips and put a one inch pressure bend ( slight bend, maybe 10 degrees) on what will be the bottom of the strip. Strike a line and nail the strips on such that they are covering the nail heads and parallel to the siding. Nail your 'f' or 'j' on over that and you are ready for soffit. Generally, this method uses less trim material, looks better and is more durable that the undersill that is typically used.

    When narrow pieces are snapped into undersill, alot of times they will buckle or fall out.

    Tom

    1. Guest_ | Jul 20, 2000 03:46am | #5

      *Eric:One of the "tricks of trade" of doing a vinyl install is placing (height wise) your starter strip at the bottom of the house to make your "clapboards" come out right at the top of the house. This is something I've learned the hard way. How about adding a 1x4, 1x6 or similar freeze (sp?) board covered in metal to the top of the wall to compensate for your problem. Freeze boards make the house look better anyway, and I much prefer the look.

      1. Guest_ | Jul 20, 2000 12:35pm | #7

        *eric,You either need another course of siding or you need to create a small trim strip of sorts, something like Matt suggested. If you don't want to use the aluminum trim piece technique, then you will need to put J-channel against the soffit, cut your siding to fit up in that, install your UT on top of that, and put in the last course of siding. If you have coil stock the same color as the siding, the better way to do it is to make about a 2" tall frieze board, of sorts, to go against the siding. I normally just make this out of aluminum with a nailing flange on the bottom, with no wood involved. It's plenty rigid enough and then you can butt the UT up to that. Red dog

  4. eric_nilles | Jul 20, 2000 12:35pm | #6

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    > While installing vinyl siding under my eaves, the nailing flange on the last piece falls right on the face of the undersill trim. this makes another piece too small to cut down and no space to nail the top piece without the nails going through both the trim and the top piece. Has anyone run into this or are there any suggestions?

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