Wanted: 30 ft. electric articulated boom
JohnSprung
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Ideally, a used JLG E-300 or Genie Z-30/N20. Needed in Los Angeles, CA. Working and storage space is limited, so a larger machine isn’t an option.
Frenchy, you’re the resident expert on this kind of equipment. I’m finding prices like $28-30K here, and $11.5K in Detroit and Atlanta. Is it possible to ship a used one out here and be sure it won’t be a lemon or a junker?
Thanks in advance —
— J.S.
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John,You might get lucky moving one here if Frenchy can't help.
Joe H
John - I emailed you a link - I found 2 jlg's for $18,500 in Roseville- I think they were 2000's. I didn't search Genies, but that machinery Trader site had lots of them, too.
I looked at some models that I'm familiar with and prices didn't seem much different in Cali.
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Johnsprung,
That is one piece of equipment I would never, repeat never own!
Manlifts have an unbelievable maintinace level.. The best of them are terrible and the worst are, well,... really really really bad!
All it takes to ruin one is use it in a sand blasting operation.. Sand gets into the mechanism and slowing grinds everything to death.. painting isn't much better..
Rent is really the only way! This year you need a 30ft articulated and next time you'll need a 60 ft. straight boom. Now you can live with cushion tires next time it's outdoors..
If you buy at the cheap end of the scale you'd better plan on a new wire loam, there are many extra wires in anybodies loam and once they all are broken it's time to install a new loam. Just before that happens they are put up for sale!
Shiming a boom that has a little too much slop is more then a skill to be learned, its actaully an art.. Too tight and you burn things out too loose and it's sloppy.. Can you shim that wear pad or does it need replacement, Drive motors overheat and need seals or worse and pumps are always the absolute minimum that will do the job, (when new) Are there exceptions, sure!
But why bet the farm on a piece of equipment the professionals have given up on?
Hey Frenchy,Just curious, do you sell manlifts?Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, I get waylaid by jackassery?
http://grantlogan.net/
seeyou,
Yes the company I work for does, and I could,, however, I refuse to ever, ever, ever, screw somebody even if they want to be screwed..
We sell and rent JLG and Genie among others.. Ask Adam if you want one in my area.. he'll sell you one. Good luck..
(hint rent it, don't own it!)
I already own a Genie Z45. I think it's a '98 model. I bought it for $14K last June. I rent it out occasionaly when I don't need it. In '04, I spent $28K renting booms. In '05 I spent $235.00 after deducting my rental income. It paid for itself in 6 mos. I rent bigger or different if I need it, but we use the hell out of this thing. So far, I've spent $655 for repairs. I'm probably gonna have to spend a little more - I found out today that the auxilary motor is not working. Bottom line - I could sell it for scrap today and be ahead on the deal. Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, I get waylaid by jackassery?
http://grantlogan.net/
seeyou,
As I said earlier it is possible for it to work out.. but for every success story I hear I know of a hundred oh darns!
heavy maintinace on a manlift isn't a question of IF, but rather a question of when..
If you are lucky and dodge the bullets involved you'll have done better than we do.. Hopefully nothing in our inventory is as old as that and we absolutely don't rent to painters or sandblasting operations.. yet seldom a month goes by when we don't replace a wire loam or do other heavy maintinace on our fleet of booms..
Wow, Frenchy,
Thanks for that very clearly stated opinion. I'll have to thoroughly reconsider the scaffolding options. Stucco demo and painting are the dirty parts of this job, both of which weigh against the manlift option.
There are a few reasons I wanted to go that route. I get a lot of little two or three hour chunks of spare time that I could use on the house if it were quick and easy to set up and wrap securely. Both for security and appearance, I'm not thrilled with leaving scaffolding in place overnight, or when I'm away for a while. It would also be a lot easier to let the machine lift the lumber than to hump it up by hand on scaffolding.
Edit: Another thought, would the stucco demo be safer to do with a lift? I'm thinking that if termite damage makes big pieces of it fall off, that might take out the ties holding the scaffold to the building.
Oh, and I forgot the big one -- On the whole North side, I'll be borrowing the neighbors' driveway because the building is just 18 inches from the lot line. That really puts the kabosh on scaffolding.
Does anybody else have experience with owning a lift?
Thanks again --
-- J.S.
Edited 4/13/2006 9:06 pm ET by JohnSprung
Edited 4/13/2006 9:09 pm ET by JohnSprung
JohnSprung,
What are your other choices?
I personally love working off a platform on a forklift.. Forklifts are low maintinance and we now sell them with remote controls so nobody needs to be in the seat. With the 90degree swing carriages we now sell you can put them in places where they'd never go previously.
In addition it's hard to get much over a 4x5 foot platform on a manlift while the normal work platform on a forklift is 4x10
The forklift might work if I can reach out about 5 ft. over some landscaping in front, and a porch. There's also the 5 ft. wide space between the house and garage to consider, and the sloped part of the driveways. Is there a place on the web where I can look up some dimensions?
-- J.S.
JohnSprung,
Maximum forward reach is 27Ft. with an Ingersol Rand VR 642 at that forward reach, the 642 has a maximum capacity of 1500#'s If you use one with foam filled tires (instead of air tires you gain at least another 500#'s capacity although the charts don't reflect it..
A Lull with transaction has 28 inches more forward reach but only 500 pounds capacity. If you use a typical 4x10 work platform which weighs 550#'s the machine will tip on it's nose before it reaches maximum forward reach..
If you need more forward reach use a 1056 model which will lift you to a maximum of 56 feet high and about 35 feet max. forward reach.
Other models have other specs so if inches are critical just ask, I'll look them up for you.. Be a little carefull in that some forklifts give dimensions which aren't really useable..
For example the Caterpillar TH63 has a max height listed of 40 feet.. However if you look where that maximum height actually is , you'll note that the forklift would have to be almost three feet into the building to obtain that.. actaul working height is closer to 37 feet..
Now a bit of caution.. forklifts, manlifts etc. are very heavy! 20,000 pounds or so more for some manlifts! Also most manlifts have limit switches which prevent you from using the equipment on too steep of a grade.. (where those limit switches kick in varies from model to model but may be as little as 2 1/2 degrees most however are around 5 degrees)
Forklifts have no such limit switches and depending on terrain may be safely used up to at least 10 degrees (due to it's ability to frame tilt) I've seen them used at reduced maximum heights on much steep slopes..
if you are driving on an existing landscaped home you will damage the lawn with anything that heavy.. Leave great big deep ruts..
Thanks again for all the info and and advice.
The VR 642 is bigger than I need. A VR 530 would do it, and maybe even a VR 522. I found a 522 for sale locally, it's a 1997 with 2415 hours on it. But that looks like a discontinued model, and they want $35k. Even the electric JLG's I found were $18.5k.
So, it's looking like reaching where I want to reach may be financially out of reach except by going back to the pump jack idea. I can get a bunch of new alum-a-pole stuff for under 10% of what those used machines would cost.
-- J.S.
John Sprung,,
Please , please , please don't buy one of the imported VR's anything smaller than a 642 is made in France and well we've not had a good track record with them..
IF you look you might find a VR60 which is lighter and smaller (and older) than the 642's that was made in America, (but don't buy the VR50 which was made in England and very trouble prone. Oh by the way John Deere is importing a forklift from England, that's right the old VR50)
Another good smaller fork lift is the Gehl 553
Thanks for the warning on the smaller VR's. I'll look around for an old 60 or a Gehl. And I'll keep thinking about other ways to do the job.
-- J.S.
http://usediron.point2.com/Xhtml/Equipment/Details/P2/Forklift-Telescopic/INGERSOLL-RAND/VR642/263811/ViewEquipmentDetail.html
self use vs rental... is alot different... i have what i know has to be a 20yo sissor lift... 7 x 12ft deck (extends to 16ft x 7) foam filled tires and 4cyc gas motor... i got it off the internet for $800 rewired it myself $50 replace a hyd hose every now & then...but... lifts up to 36ft... it's BIG and i don't know what it's rated at and I've yet to overload it... 3 guys and buckets of mortar & bricks won't.... it's old... all mechanical not a chip or circ board on it...
for what you are doing... old might not be bad....
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Certainly fixing up an old machine would be a good way to go. The trouble with a scissor lift is that they need level ground close to the building. I have front steps and a porch flanked by ground that slopes away from the house.
-- J.S.
30' electric boom for sale
I have a 2001 JLG 300 AJP excellent shape $8600 714 715 9070
hibh did that get resurected,
aint herd boo outa frenchy or john for over a yeer, then cums a fer sale blog??
Hey, eye got sum old J beams ya can weld to a ho and get high....