I noticed some clapboard with a wavy edge on a building near me. It’s new remodeling. Here’s a pic:
I like the look of it, and I might use it if it’s available when I redo the outside of my house next year. Is the wavy edge a “live” edge or is it milled that way? Does it have to be custom cut?
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Just hire gunners carps. It'll wave at ya from a mile away.
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"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
it's a milled edge -
and a good look for certain applications -
also relatively expensive -
I wish it were available in FC -
Gene Davis has posted shots of siding like this. He lives in the Adirondacks, I think Lake Placid? Definitely not something I've seen out here.
You oughta try some waney edge. Looks as if the manufacturer of the Haida Skirl product is right up above you in B.C. See post #20 in this thread.
It is tight knot cedar, and looks a whole lot finer than the sawmill-run stuff we get here in eastern white pine.
While visiting my cousin down below Coupeville on Whidbey a couple weeks ago, we had a chance to see Steve Balmer's little hideaway nearby, all executed in logs and stone. Wow!
Unlike David Doud, i've only seen this as a live, wany edge, not a milled edge. Here's a link from suppliers in your area to peruse:
http://www.specialtywoodproductsadk.com/adkbrainstorm.php
Edited 11/3/2007 1:43 am by splintergroupie
Thanks, splintergroupie. "Brainstorm Siding"? I wonder where they got that name.
More pics from yesterday: The Bridge of Umsne sutor ultra crepidam
>> I wonder where they got that name.
I Googled for
brainstorm (siding OR clap OR claps OR clapboard)
and came up with a Google Book Search result for The Adirondacks, 1931-1990, by Donald R. Williams. On page 44 it says, "The architect called for clapboards on the camp, but Muncil wanted an Adirondack-style siding, so he used wide planks with the bark still clinging to the exposed irregular edge. The word brainstorm came from the insanity defense being used at that time in a fatal shooting case."
Of course, then you have to decide whether you believe it. :)
Edited 11/3/2007 5:13 am by UncleDunc
The first time i ever admired this siding was in North Carolina around the Tryon area. I was told then (1989) that it was called "Appalachian siding" and from the kinds of humble places it was installed on, i took this flat-sawn siding to be the folk answer to drop-lap or clapboards which would have required more milling or VG orientation, and therefore this live-edge stuff would be the LESS expensive siding. Like trying to buy a Grandma Moses now, eh? LOL Enjoyed your website very much; thank-you.
Unlike David Doud, i've only seen this as a live, wany edge, not a milled edge.
hmmm - my experience is with a product called 'wavy-butt' - don't remember the manufacturer - I helped install several jobs around this area as it was a small fad for a while - mid 1980's into the 90's -
I really like the look, but durability has been less impressive - knots falling out, curling of the wide (10") planks - the way the wavy edge is, is such that there is no 'drip' - water runs down, following the siding all the way to the ground - the stuff we used was cedar, so rot hasn't been much of an issue - relatively hight maintenance - if you wanted to keep it straight and tight, you are out there with stain/sealer more frequently that I'd want to be -
edit to add: 90389.1
"there's enough for everyone"
Edited 11/3/2007 10:41 am ET by DavidxDoud
Since one is at least using flat-sawn wood and likely containing the core as well, gross movement is a given, along with knot loss, depending on species. In a wet climate it would fare better, but out here in the desert i'd think it would be toast after a summer, which may be why i haven't seen any of it installed locally. OTOH, sometimes it's just really hard to get materials here unless you buy a truckload, and most of the little sawmills here that could have produced it economically have gone belly up. It might be a craze just waiting to happen, but i'd hate to be the contractor having to guarantee it.
We have it on our cottage in Quebec, Canada. They look to be about 12" wide boards and 3/4" to 1" thick on the bottom edge. The waves are milled - you can see repeating patterns if you look carefully.
My favorite lumberyard says they can order it. He mentioned that it was expensive. I didn't ask how much since I only need a couple of boards to repair some rot.
Want me to call the yard and ask them who the supplier is?
Thanks for the offer, but no. I won't being doing this till next year, and maybe not at all if the clapboard under the asbestos shingles is repairable.ne sutor ultra crepidam
My personal electrician built a house the Catskills (guess who helped pay for it), and I'll ask him about. A local carp has a house right near him; I'll ask him too next time I run into him.ne sutor ultra crepidam
Some call it waney edge siding, or live edge siding. Most everyone in the Adirondack region calls it brainstorm.
Ollie Burgess's yard and mill (Specialty Wood Products) is a short trip from where I am. See the link provided by another poster.
Ollie ships this stuff all over the country. Lots of stuff available beyond brainstorm, for those that demand rustic. Want a couple truckloads of 3'x3' birchbark sheet, banded down in 3x3x4 cubes onto pallets? No problem.
I see that you are just down in the Hudson valley. Ollie would probably deliver to you on his own trucks.
Give him a call.
The way you want to get it is 1/2" thick, straightline ripped one edge, no bevel.
We trim with roughsawn lumber cut to 1-1/2" thickness, so the siding's thickness build doesn't go proud of trim at butt ends.
When I lived in the Adirondack I used to buy this this siding rather inexpensively from an old local guy who had a small saw mill. It is simple stuff and is cut from the log after squaring it on three sides. We referred to it as waney edge and it often had the bark on it until it fell off on its own.Some "campers" absurdly tried to keep the bark on and tried gluing, nailing or stapling it but the result was always the same; it thankfully fell off. It was usually cut from large white pine although other woods such as cedar or tamarack were used and cut 1/2 to 3/4 in.thick. Because the edge is not only waney it is not square It should be installed so that the sloping edge faces up so that water does not run back under the edge.
A friend of mine did his house in stuff like that. He got it from British columbia and called it Hoad Scroll.
Roger
that should be Hiada Scroll
Edited 11/3/2007 2:09 pm by joshua
Just installed a bunch of this at a summer camp facility. I am from the Boston area and the siding was used to replace rotten boards of the same type. It is a live edge with a milled edge on top to set the course. The mill where we got it called it Maine siding.
Around here, (Lawrence, KS), it's called "Wavey Edge Cedar", I've never seen it locally available in anything but Cedar. It's used on some homes.
It's fairly expensive, last time we bought it, it was running about $6.50 a running foot, that was a little over a year ago so I assume, like most other things, it's gone up in price.
I think usually it's artificial, but I have seen it as a result of using untrimmed board where the log edge shows.
Take a look at this site.
http://www.haidaforest.com/products/HaidaSkirl.pdf
Dispuantum
Find a sawmill and buy it that way.. they don't know siding from the man in the moon so just ask for 10 inch wide boards with a wany edge.. if you buy it in the winter the bark will usually fall off as spring arrives.
If you buy it from a small to medium sized sawmill your costs should be about $1.75 per 10 foot long board. If you'd like longer boards you'll need to find a sawmill with a longer track. 18 feet is common here in the midwest. Some sawmills can do 24 feet and One that I know of has the ability to do 30 feet..
the difficulty is getting 30 foot long logs to start with.. most sawmills will command a premium for that length..
Correction Frenchy, wood SAWN in winter will retain bark longer than summer sawn, when you buy it makes no difference.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Sphere,
You are correct.. I can't believe I wrote what I wrote, so much for my proof reading skills.( Actually with my dyslexia I usally check spelling not content)..
Don't worry man, I got ya covered (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Around here is it called Skirl, just saw the link at the bottom of the first page of posts.
I've seen it used on houses, but high end Street of Dreams homes. I thought it looked pretty cool.
http://www.lakesidelumber.com/gallery-details11.htm
http://www.streetofdreams.com/