Its unfortunate that Ace Hardware, Lowes, and Home Depot do not think anyone would need a hose or hose entension longer than 10 feet.
I am trying to vacuum up the mess resulting from the post-drywall and sanding job. I cannot not imagine any wet/dry vacuum filter would last more than a few minutes with the stuff being vacuumed up, and as a result the exhaust will just eject it back into the air in the basement.
My thought was to sit the wet/dry vacuum outside the walkout basement door, but hat would require me to have a 30-35 hose length and no one seems to make vacuum hoses at these lengths for wet/dry (shop) vacuums. If I were installing a centralized vacuum I could get hoses in 5-60 lengths, but a shop vac apparently is out of the &$#ºing question.
Anyone have any ideas? Suggestions?
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It's easy to get an adaptor to regular vac hose and have your vac shop
make a 20 or 30' extension.
I have a 20 footer that fits my shop vac with the adaptor from Home Depot and without the adaptor also fits my "finish vac"
The best part is you can use regular tools with the hose and not the stupid wands that come with a shop vac...
works for me
silver
Corrugated sump pump hose.
I would keep the suction hose short for better performance, and jury rig the long hose to the output side, out throught the window...
Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
Actually, the HVAC guys will tell you it's easier to pull air than it is to push it.Pulled air is stretched out and thinner. Pushed air is piled up on itself, and thicker.AitchKay
Went to the Lowes, ACE hardware, and two Home Cheapos nearest me and the longest hose attachment was 10" for $32.
Then I remembered Costco had a special on a Bissell Garage Pro vacuum. It looks like a centralized vacuum canister, with a flat bottom but intended to be hung on a wall. I guess the best thing about it was it came with a 32 foot long hose. Amazon wants $200 for it, but I got the kit from Costco for $139.
Its amazing that you can buy a 60' centralized vacuum hose for $100, but the dang vacuums start at $400. Let's see how the Bissell performs with the can sitting outside.
I'll give it a try tomorrow morning as I'm on vet-watch duty for the cat.
When I want a long vacuum hose, I cut some PVC pipe into about 6 inch sections. Shove half into one hose, the other half into the next hose, and duct tape it together.I save old hoses just for this purpose. I have had it up to 54 feet this way, and it worked fine.If you wanted to, you could just lay out long pieces of the pipe, to extend it. Make your own central vac. I've done that, too.
Googley googley googley, evil go away.
I use a trick I got from my carpet-cleaning guy: use sections of chromed-brass sink drain tube --very thin walls, no debris catching on them. Better than PVC.AitchKay
I called him and asked him. After he got done laughing he wanted to know if you were serious.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
Well, maybe just the HVAC guys who’ve taken a science class or two.Speaking of being serious or not...“I would keep the suction hose short for better performance, and jury rig the long hose to the output side, out throught the window...â€Did you really think that putting the hose on the other side would make its resistance go away? Or were you just joking?AitchKay
Heh.
okay.
GLWTYSMF.
Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
OK, I give up.GLWTYSMF?I even googled it, but I still don't have a clue!AitchKay
Based on the last four letters, I would guess it is an insult. I have no theories on the first four. I assume if it had been printable, he would have answered your question.How can you understand God if you can't understand people? How can you understand people if you can't understand yourself?
Well, any time I see the letters “MF, †naturally I start thinking about tractor brands (don’t you?).So I’m not sure, but I think he was trying to say, “Good Luck With That Yellow Secondhand Massey Ferguson.†What do you think?AitchKay
Of course, there's the outside chance that he got embarrassed about being busted for Magical Thinking, and decided to go on the attack.But Naaah! He wouldn't do that!AitchKay
Let's see how this unravels.How can you understand God if you can't understand people? How can you understand people if you can't understand yourself?
I think he thinks I'm cute.If I play just a little bit hard-to-get, I'll bet we're pickin' out curtains within the week.What do you think?AitchKay
The drama continues! I thought he would have just deleted the post by now.How can you understand God if you can't understand people? How can you understand people if you can't understand yourself?
...Would he?AitchKay
Are you asking me - would I?Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
That's right, I'm asking you. Now, most of us here are betting that you wouldn't.But people do funny things when they’re busted for Magical Thinking.AitchKay
Ok.
Now that we have established that you are asking me something....... What exactly would it be that you are asking that I would or would not do?Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
When in doubt, read the thread.AitchKay
Man, I tried that. The IDEAL situation is smooth inside not corrugated, the whistle was deafening.
For the shop dust collecter, I hade my longer run up on the joists out of old recleaimed 4" galv. downspout, necked it down to 2" and then to 1 and an eighth or whatever size the shop vac small fittings are..to a few tools like RO sanders, but mostly use the 2" at the router table and such. A buddy gave me 2 20' lngths of real vac. type (smooth wall) hose..his vac couldn't handle the loss. I made it work by god..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
They kill Prophets, for Profits.
Yep.
For seldom use, my MO is to find the cheapest and free est I can find and make it work.
Had a few other ways I've done Nuke's scenario too. Was thinkin' that was the fastest / cheapest. Glad I didn't post 'em now. I'm learnin' .
...Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
I would just use my Porter Cable drywall sander and vacuum. It will run all day. Its made to vacuum drywall dust. I think you can buy Hepa filters for most shop vacs these days.You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
That would be my go to also. (mine not yours).
But I'm thinkin' Nuke is cleaning up after someone else, who has already sanded, and didn't have one.
Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
My cheapest of all was alpo cans and 3" cardboard carpet tubes..LOL It worked.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
They kill Prophets, for Profits.
That's pretty good.
I once finished up a project by doing the final touch up - With my sock...
Your turn...Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
Port-o-let, no striking paper....t-shirt.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
They kill Prophets, for Profits.
Liquid for hot mud.
Puddle in grainage ditch, pop, beer...
One time only..
You're an eight.:(Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
"Liquid for hot mud.
Puddle in grainage ditch, pop, beer..."
It could be worse.You could have chosen something, shall we say, organic...
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
finish reading the post.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
They kill Prophets, for Profits.
What he said...read on.
Loong story...Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
I completely missed that one. I thought that you were rating how attractive Sphere was or something.Did it work? Did it smell?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
It worked.
Smell, don't know.
Even if it did I would assume it would settle down either after being sealed up or dissapating. Not like I buried a dead fish in the framing.
Like I said, it's kinda a long story, got the work done, got me outta there. It was decades ago. Guy backed me into a corner, had to be done, I had no other options.
OOOOOOOOKAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY...Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
I just finished sanding the drywall in my kitchen to be. I used my 6 gal shopvac with a drywall sanding attachment. I had a fine filtration bag in it and a Hepa pleated filter as well.
I was sanding w/ 220 grit for a smooth wall finish. Approx. a 15x20 space sanding every joint and nail hole w/ a 12' shopvac ext. hose (blue). Still had plenty of suction when I was done, and hardly any dust in the room. The bag was about a third full when I finished, and the Hepa filter was hardly clogged. If I lose too much suction, I just change the bag.
The ext. hose was in the shopvac section a Lowe's and I used an adaptor to fit the sanding attachment to it. The sanding attachment uses screens. I tried the one that uses sandpaper and it was about worthless.
It's the best and easiest way I've found so far. I side light the walls and ceiling as I go and have no sign of any joints when the primer is on.
Hope this helps,
Ott
With drywall dust, you are better to use a water filter ahead of the vac. You can buy a Teflon bag liner for your wet dry vac from a commercial vac supplier that will stop the debris from getting to the other filters. Pool cleaning hoses come in long lengths, you may have to cobble up some adapters. Water filters are cheap and available at HD. Nothing more than a 5 gal bucket hooka.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
I built my own water filter one time and used similar hose to what you are suggesting w/ a 5 gal bucket. For some reason the hose whistled like crazy. I used hearing protection, but the whistle was worse than the shop vac noise for sure. That is why I landed on the method I described earlier. Has this been something you have encountered? Or, am I just weird. ;-)Ott
I have done that before I got a good vac.
But with a bag in my Wap, I can sand drywall all day, and the filter will still be bright orange. I have used hoses up to 35' with it.
Old 1/12" pool-cleaning hoses are what I use, too. As silver77 says, then you can use real tools.
Even though the Wap is quieter than the Fein and Festo vacs, I still like to leave it in another room, and have it quieter still. I run it off a plug strip in the room where I’m working, so I can turn it on and off, and all I have to listen to is the hiss from the hose.
AitchKay
When I clean up a new house after drywall, I use my old 5 gallon sears vac with NO filter, with the filter on it clogs way too fast. I extend a hose from the discharge out the window (beware, this creates LOTS of dust outside, I once had a niebor think the house was on fire!). This is probably hard on the motor as the air drawn through is not filtered, but mine hasn't died yet(It is starting to get loud though) I extend hoses with couplings that I got from sears, also have used some dust collector hose. places that sell dust collector parts will have adaptors for different hoses. you can also connect them with just duct tape!
Someone else mentioned a water filter, that sounds like a good idea, I have one I made for sanding drywall, just a 5 gallon bucket with two holes for tubes cut into the lid. The inlet end should extend to near the bottom of the bucket, the outlet end stays up near the lid. Fill it 1/3 to1/2 full of water (depends on suction, experiment). you would be surprised how thick the mud in the filter gets.
The cyclone prefilters are worth a look too. I have a Clearvue Mini and I've beat the snot out of it cleaning up mortar, plaster, etc. during my renovation. You'll get some fine build up on the vac filter, but instead of having to stop every couple of minutes to shake the filter, I think I went a month or two without touching it once I had the clearvue.http://www.clearvuecyclones.comWell worth the money in my opinion. And their new attachment for the shopvac actually solves my one major quibble with it, in that it's unwieldy when you've got a vac and a separate prefilter to move around.Z
Once you get a REAL vacuum, you'll never go back.AitchKay
Um, I dont use it for that kind of sucking (:
I had the same problem. Go over to the sump pump area and get one of the cheap, flexible, corrugated hoses. They got 'em in 1-1/2, 2 and more diameters.
Cheap too.
Works fine.
I have a couple adapters that I can just plug two hoses together. I think I bought them at Lowes. Two 6' hoses and a ten' hose gives me 22'.
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If you're serious about dust control, you need a serious vacuum. Fein makes an amazing unit , with the hepa filter and bag to collect your debris, the filter doesn't even see any dust. No matter what you're picking up. But it's not cheap.
Almost as good as the Wap.AitchKay
This might help:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=47161cat=1,42401&ap=1
Scott.
Edited 2/26/2009 12:11 am by Scott
here you go Nuke
check in with any Carpet cleaning supplier in your area. They will have what you need for the best price. http://www.interlinksupply.com/index.html?search_val=hoses&page_start=80
thanks Craig
Do your self a favor ( allthough I haven't) and get a nice long hose mail order.
I just coupled 4 of them together with duct tape and a wrap.
The after market ones are much nicer. They aren't stiff yet they are tuff.
Sorry, I was late actually posting this. I actually needed the working solution yesterday, but even that 'solution' I paid $140 for isn't doing the trick.
Within five minutes the double-filter system clogged on the Bissell Garage Pro. That's money thrown away. I removed the filters and sat the dang thing on the exterior door threshold and went at it for about an hour.
Nice having a dominant wind that is exactly where it needs to be to blow this stuff back in. And in that time I collected about a gallon of talcum-powder grade dust in it. I then took a break.
This afternoon I tried again, but this time took other suggestions and grabbed my duct tape. I grabbed the two 6' hoses from the RIGID shop vacuums and taped them together and to the exhaust port of the Bissell.
While this gave me the reach I needed, the shear volume of this chit is amazing. I bumped into the blinds (totally forgot about them things) and a ton of mud-dust came pouring down.
Now my first floor looks closer to the basement than the basement closer to the first floor. I'm lost on this one. Maybe mopping is the way to go, but I think if I do that I'll need a serious dehumidifier to dry our the basement and not allow mold to grow on the new drywall.
How on earth my count could have built 50,000-100,000 houses in the last decade and no one know what the clean-up practice is makes me wonder if this is a trade secret or something. :) But then I am reminded that the tract home builders don't sand the mid--ain't enough mud on them walls to sand in the first place.
Wish I could hire someone to perform a couple of days of janitorial service in that basement--gotta be easier than what I'm going through.
You didn't ask about new construction...
That one's easy - Leaf blower...
Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
I'm not sure if this helps but maybe it would be easier if you cleaned up more often.
What I mean is that putting it off just makes it more of a chore.
I like to clean up more often and organize more often as I've gotten older.
It just works better for me.
They sweep the houses out and use a shovel for the bulk of the dust.
shopvac makes fine dust pickup bags. I rip sheets of mdf on my jobsite tablesaw with my ridgid shop vac hoooked up to it and the bag will last days. 10 bucks for three.
Search Sears.com for "shop vac hose"
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?vName=Tools&keyword=shop+vac+hose&sLevel=0
Nice, had I owned a Sears vac. I noticed they use a 2.5" diameter hose system and not a 2.25" that Rigid uses. I guess I could have taped them down.
Yeah, tell your DW sub to clean up after himself if he wants to get paid
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Ifyou go to a vacumn cleaner repair shop you can cet any length of hose and a hose coupling.
I have a Shop Vac Hangup in my shop using this rig.
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