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What are these tools ?

dovetail97128 | Posted in Tools for Home Building on July 10, 2007 01:59am

I enjoy the mystery stuff posted here so here is my contribution.

The Logo is a diamond with the word “Cahill” contained within.

(No cheating and googling that now !)

These were given to me by a friend, brand new and wrapped in oil paper in a wooden box.

1250 has a single groove at the working end, the other has a double groove.

“Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more.”…Seneca

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  1. JTC1 | Jul 10, 2007 02:09am | #1

    At least some of them look like caulking irons, have not seen all of these shapes before.

    A caulking iron was / is used to insert and compress caulking cotton into the seams of wooden boat hulls.  Process known as pounding cotton around boat yards.

    My guess - don't give it away so soon if I'm right.

    Jim

    Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.

     



    Edited 7/9/2007 7:10 pm ET by JTC1

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      Sphere | Jul 10, 2007 02:11am | #3

      Wow, good timing! 

      1. JTC1 | Jul 10, 2007 02:13am | #6

        You ain't so slow either!  I at least looked at all the photos!

        Jim

        Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.

         

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    Sphere | Jul 10, 2007 02:10am | #2

    I only open the first pic.

    Boat caulking Irons.

     

  3. MisterT | Jul 10, 2007 02:12am | #4

    I didn't open ANY pics...
    Caulking irons

    the hook is for removing old caulking

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    I am not wearing any Pants....
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    IMERC | Jul 10, 2007 02:12am | #5

    saddlr  / bridal tools was the 1st guess...

    then I remeber seeing them being used to oakum a historic boat...

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!
    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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    limeyjoiner | Jul 10, 2007 02:30am | #7

    Most of them are caulking irons,

    the ones with grooves are called crease irons, ones without are making irons. The making iron is used to force the caulking into the plank seam then the crease iron is used to 'harden up' (pack the caulk in tighter).

    The hook is a raking iron and the pointed one is a reefing iron, they are used when removing old caulking and putty.

    The narrower iron is a butt iron it's used to caulk the butt joints in the planking.

    The curved iron on the top left is used to caulk the devil seam, this is the seam between the last hull plank and the keel.

    the one on the top right is sometimes called a dumb iron, it is used to widen a narrow seam before caulking

    "Man is a tool-using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all." Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)

    1. dovetail97128 | Jul 10, 2007 06:27pm | #17

      limey,
      It sounds as if you have handled these before.
      Thanks for the individual names, I had no idea what each one was called."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

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        limeyjoiner | Jul 10, 2007 08:00pm | #20

        I served a full apprenticeship as a traditional boat builder before I started house bashing,I've got 25-30 caulking irons in a toolbox somewhere, along with 4 or 5 caulking mallets and a Beetle (big mallet for big ship seams)
        "Man is a tool-using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all." Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)

        1. Jer | Jul 14, 2007 01:35pm | #40

          Wow, that's interesting. Where did you do that, and how long did it take to serve the apprenticeship?I always wanted to take my carp/woodworking skills and try and build a small boat or learn some luthier work and make my own guitar. Given the room I have it will most likely be the latter.When I was a kid there was guy on our street who was a carpenter by trade, and he went ahead and built his own 25' sail boat in his driveway. I'll never forget going over to watch Mr. Blumerick work on that thing. That guy was a master craftsman, and the boat was absolutely beautiful.I remember reading somewhere that boat building was one of, if not the, highest calling in carpentry/woodworking skills to have, just ahead of stair building.

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            limeyjoiner | Jul 14, 2007 04:23pm | #41

            I served my time at a small boatyard on the North West coast of England, the apprenticeship took four years but I wasn't considered fully qualified for another two (it would have taken less time to become a doctor)I would recommend building your own boat, there is no finer feeling than watching the result of hours of planing, hammering, sanding and sawing floating by the dock for the first time.There are a few Boatbuilding schools around that offer courses where you get to build and finish a boat, this is one of the most well known:http://www.thewoodenboatschool.com/It is true that boatbuilding is a lot more skilled than most aspects of house construction, a favorite adage amongst the boatbuilding community is A boatbuilder can work as a carpenter but a carpenter can't work as a boatbuilder"Man is a tool-using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all." Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)

          2. Jer | Jul 14, 2007 05:22pm | #42

            "A boatbuilder can work as a carpenter but a carpenter can't work as a boatbuilder"
            I would agree.Thanks for the info.

          3. MisterT | Jul 15, 2007 05:22am | #43

            boat building is a piece of cake.NOTHING is straight or square.how hard can that be???:o)
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            I am not wearing any Pants....

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            limeyjoiner | Jul 17, 2007 02:42am | #44

            "NOTHING is straight or square.!"just like some of the houses I have to fix"Man is a tool-using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all." Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)

          5. MisterT | Jul 17, 2007 04:46am | #45

            but in a boat it doesn't have to be...put a bow in it and nail it in...caulk any gaps....
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            I am not wearing any Pants....

  6. Ragnar17 | Jul 10, 2007 03:08am | #8

    They're hand tools from the Middle Ages designed for extracting confessions.

    1. dovetail97128 | Jul 10, 2007 03:33am | #9

      Ragnar,
      I suspect the users of them might have thought so ! They are what everyone identified them to be. No mystery to the brains here. Caulking Tools used in ship/boat building. Now , anyone know of a place or individual who may actually put them to use?
      I would be happy to send them on their way to a useful home."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

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        Sphere | Jul 10, 2007 03:47am | #10

        I have a buddy in Eastern Shore Va. that would kill to have them, he is a boatwright/carpenter/sculpter.

        How much? 

        1. dovetail97128 | Jul 10, 2007 04:25am | #12

          How Much ? If they will get put to use then he pays shipping.

          If they are really of high $ value he makes a donation to a charity of his liking for the difference between shipping what he thinks they are worth . How does that sound? Two of the 2+ " wide chisel looking tools have some damage to them. My (then young)kids wanted to see if they would make marks on rocks. I think a little touch up with a file and they would be good to go.

          Prospero doesn't send me mail so let me know here and I will e-mail you my e-mail address thru this site."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

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            Sphere | Jul 10, 2007 05:08am | #14

            You can email me AT  Spheramid AT dishmail dot net....my buddy don't do 'puter stuff, I can get them from here to there.

            Cool... 

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            NickNukeEm | Jul 11, 2007 02:42pm | #30

            A few miles down I-95 from here is Mystic Seaport, a working historic seaport circa ninteenth century.  They would probably have a use for them, if they don't have a few sets already.

             "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul."  Invictus, by Henley.

          3. bobbys | Jul 12, 2007 02:20am | #34

            We went to Mystic on our honeymoon on the way to Cape Cod, I think it was one of the best places i ever went to, Amazing

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            NickNukeEm | Jul 12, 2007 05:07am | #35

            We take the Christmas walking tour in December in the evening, where the 19th century comes alive.  As close to a time machine as you can get.

             "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul."  Invictus, by Henley.

      2. MisterT | Jul 10, 2007 04:34am | #13

        send them to the Maine Maritime Museum in Batn Me.they have a working boat shop their..
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        I am not wearing any Pants....

        1. smslaw | Jul 11, 2007 12:44am | #22

          send them to the Maine Maritime Museum in Batn Me.

          Excellent suggestion, I'm sure you mean Bath.  Right down the road from me.

          I am not wearing any Pants....

          More info than I need, thanks.

          1. MisterT | Jul 11, 2007 04:45am | #28

            where aboots??
            I lived in Bowdoinham for 7 years
            and worked in Bath/Brunswick/Harpswell.
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            I am not wearing any Pants....

          2. smslaw | Jul 11, 2007 02:14pm | #29

            The museum is a mile or so south of Bath Iron Works.

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        IMERC | Jul 10, 2007 06:46am | #16

        Mystic, Conn...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

      4. ryder | Jul 12, 2007 09:02am | #37

        wooden boat works in seattle...if your interested i'll have one of them contact you

        1. dovetail97128 | Jul 12, 2007 04:24pm | #38

          ryder, Thanks but Sphere spoke up first and they are going to be shipped to him for his friend."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

          1. ryder | Jul 14, 2007 09:05am | #39

            cool, thanks for the shout back....

  7. bobbys | Jul 10, 2007 04:11am | #11

    i did know right off only cause i worked in a boatyard in ASTORIA and i had to do that, We did not have that many though, we also had a little tar pot and heated up hot tar, Being the NFG i had to do this job before i moved up to real boatwork, As soon as they found out i liked doing it they gave me another job They told me i did not need my level very much;)

  8. MOXIEDOG | Jul 10, 2007 05:11am | #15

    i yhink they are caulking chizels in shipbuilding.

  9. karp | Jul 10, 2007 07:20pm | #18

    Figures,,,, The one time I knew the answer, so did everyone else!!!

    If you didn't have time to do it right the first time, how come you've got time to do it over again?
    1. davidmeiland | Jul 11, 2007 04:46pm | #31

      I hadn't a clue. Maybe they looked like tools for a slate roof dude.

      BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand. I stay away from them. Wood's the worst kind.

      1. karp | Jul 11, 2007 11:01pm | #32

        Don't say that!!!!

        I just started shopping for a new boat!

        It'll be fibreglass, so don't worryIf you didn't have time to do it right the first time, how come you've got time to do it over again?

      2. bobbys | Jul 12, 2007 02:17am | #33

        My boy is on a halibut boat commercial fishing in Alaska the boat is wood built in the 40s, The best boat in the fleet. So not always

        1. davidmeiland | Jul 12, 2007 06:52am | #36

          Well, in that context boat maintenance is overhead. Most of the guys I know with boats are hobbyists and seem to have never-ending costs to deal with. They love it, I guess. Myself.... rather have a plane.

  10. jcurrier | Jul 10, 2007 07:39pm | #19

    Up here on the coast of Maine those tools are still in use at the local boatyards.  Those are caulking Irons for caulking a wooden boat hull.

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      Luka | Jul 10, 2007 10:34pm | #21

      Really ?;o)

      Yeh... That'll work.

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    EricPaulson | Jul 11, 2007 03:11am | #23

    This place is amazing!

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    1. dovetail97128 | Jul 11, 2007 03:26am | #24

      Eric, Yes it is . Hate to admit that while I had a "Guess " as to what they were I myself had to look them up on the net to be certain of it when they were given to me."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

  12. bobbys | Jul 11, 2007 04:00am | #25

    Thats nice you wanta give them away but give them away and next month you will wanta build a boat in your garage;) I would not risk it myself

    1. dovetail97128 | Jul 11, 2007 04:11am | #26

      I actually have 2 canoes in the shop right now that are in stages of work. I grew up with boats, one thing I learned is that they are holes in the water that cost money whether afloat or on dry land. I enjoy my canoes and kayaks, cheap , simple and cost effective.
      I won't be building any boats that require that set of caulking tools I don't think. BTW How warm is the coast today .. 101 here right now."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

      1. bobbys | Jul 11, 2007 04:34am | #27

        Thanks for asking its 93 in the shade and its too hot for me to work, i can work in the rain but not the heat, there is a breeze, we are not used to heat here on the coast, Monday i had a sweatshirt on the sun never came out we were fogged in, A couple days of heat and the fog comes in so im hopeing

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