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What hold glass in window?

BillHartmann | Posted in General Discussion on September 23, 2007 05:43am

1970’s era house with single pain glass and tripple track storm/screen.

They have springloaded chanels to hold and weather stripping the windows.

The windows look like they were good quality at the time and and are in good shape.

How is the glass replaced?

It appears that sash has a have a 45 bevel on each side towards the glass. The interior is stained and the exterior is painted. But the paint is thin and you can see some of the grain.

I could not find any clue, at all that there is a glass stop on either side. So sign of a brad, no change in grain, where I can see it, and reveal or hairine gap between a “stop”, if there was one and the rest of the frame.

Anybody have any clues?

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  1. Piffin | Sep 23, 2007 06:34am | #1

    With it being mitred corners, I wonder if the glass is set in a kerf.

    Insane idea, but...

     

     

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      BillHartmann | Sep 23, 2007 08:54am | #2

      "With it being mitred corners, I wonder if the glass is set in a kerf."No the corners are not mitred. It appears to be standard cope and stick joints, but might be modified by dowels or haunched tenon.It is the cross section profile.Normally a you would have a rabbit on the outside and a roman ogee or 1/4 rd pattern on the other side.Then either the glass is held in with point and glazing putty or a wood stop strip that is similar to the pattern on the other side. While it does blend looking at it closely you can see that it is an applied piece.Inside of the ogee it is a bevel. With nothing to imply that it is applied on either side.The cross would be a rectange with the grove for the glass and that accepts the glass is beveled on both side.That is what it looks like. If that was true then the glass had to be installed before assemblying the sash..
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      A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

      1. VaTom | Sep 23, 2007 04:03pm | #3

        If that was true then the glass had to be installed before assemblying the sash.

        I've experienced that.  Both on that vintage and some new windows.  $600 for a new slider, plus factory-certified installation required?  Yeow! 

        HO was not happy.  The 1¼" crack remains.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!

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          BillHartmann | Sep 23, 2007 04:27pm | #4

          In this case some surgery will with a router should cure it.Just though of that as I read your post.PS - if it is really an applied stop that just done very well the router bit will find the brads..
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          A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

          Edited 9/23/2007 9:31 am by BillHartmann

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    MarkH | Sep 23, 2007 04:43pm | #5

    This was common back then.  I used to cut the window glasss out with a utility knife.  Then you have to deal with the glue from hades.  The glass is in a rabbet at the top I think, and this was the worst part to clean out.  Dont leave even a speck of old glass or the new lite will crack.

    The sash were made to be replaceable as a unit, probably no longer available.

  3. mrfixitusa | Sep 23, 2007 05:09pm | #6

    some of the newer windows do have trim or molding holding the glass in place, but it has been installed with glue and impossible to remove.

    ^^^^^^

     

    a Smith & Wesson beats four Aces

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