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   HeavyDuty | Feb 01, 2006 05:34am | #1

   Truss Hog will come along to tell you. :0)

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   axemann | Feb 01, 2006 05:36am | #2

   Don't know for sure what 'hog' stands for, but I imagine what they're looking for is what I've heard called a collar tie. This is simply a board that is nailed horizontally between opposing rafters to prevent the roof system from pushing out the bearing walls. These are used in vaulted ceiling applications where you don't have the benefit of ceiling joists to hold your bearing walls stiff. Does this make sense? 

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   Piffin | Feb 02, 2006 06:28am | #11

   The location is similar to a collar tie but Iget the impression like the other guys that this is running perpendicular to th erafters as a strongback type element.BTW, a collar tie does nothing to prevent wall spread. A rafter tie in the lower third of the rafters does that. A collar tie serves another purpose entirely. 

    

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   stinger | Feb 12, 2006 04:09am | #20

   "collar tie serves another purpose entirely"

   I'm on the edge of my seat.  Praytell, what do it do?

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   MikeSmith | Feb 12, 2006 05:14am | #21

   to keep the rafters from seperating at the ridge  ... ie: "collar tie"... not waist belt

   collar ties do not keep the walls from separating  .. ceiling joists do that.. if they tie one wall to the other

   collar ties  tie the ridgeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   Piffin | Feb 12, 2006 05:18pm | #22

   Just like a collar on your shirt has a different function from the hunk of hemp you tie on your pants waist to keep them from falling down, the collar on a rafter has a different function from the raftere tie in the lower portion of the rafter. One holds the head up, the other holds the waist in. ;) 

    

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   Huck | Feb 01, 2006 08:31am | #3

   It sounds like a purlin to me.  Do a Yahoo Image Search for "roof purlin", you'll get a bunch of pictures

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   scattergun | Feb 01, 2006 09:13am | #4

   I've heard "hog trough" and "strongback" to describe stiffeners made of 2 boards nailed into a "v" and then nailed to the rafters or joists. 2x6 would seem a bit much.

   Butch

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   Pigsooie | Feb 01, 2006 01:14pm | #6

   That was the first thing that came to my mind, though I've only put those at the gable rake, particularly truss gable rake.

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   razzman | Feb 01, 2006 11:08am | #5

   bump

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   BossHog | Feb 01, 2006 03:02pm | #7

   Thanks for the bump, but I've never heard the term before. The OP would probably be best to ask the person who drew the plans what they meant.
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   blue_eyed_devil | Feb 01, 2006 05:15pm | #8

   Never heard of that term. It's probably what we call a "snowbrace" around here. Snowbraces are some form of beam that essentially cuts down the span of the long rafter.

   It also could be collar ties.

   I agree with Boss. Call the drawer.

   blue

    

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   BossHog | Feb 01, 2006 05:44pm | #9

   "I agree with Boss."

   I'm gonna have to mark that one down on my calendar.

   (-:
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   JoeBartok | Feb 01, 2006 06:47pm | #10

   Just a WAG, but could it refer to a support or brace to create a slight arch in the rafter?

   I've heard of the opposite of a rafter sagging referred to as "hogging".Joe Bartok

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   Piffin | Feb 02, 2006 06:51am | #13

   Hmmm...There would be some loggic in thinking the term hog could be short for hogback then 

    

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   Pierre1 | Feb 02, 2006 06:39am | #12

   Blue, there's a picture of one of your saws on the front page   ;)

   http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/pages/fh_177_096.asp# 

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   SamT | Feb 12, 2006 12:33am | #18

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   blue_eyed_devil | Feb 12, 2006 02:12am | #19

   That looks like a good ol PC 508 or a well worn Rockwell 312 or something like that. I'm kinda sure it isn't a 315. I don't think it's a 508 because the handle was more streamlined, I think. I never liked the 508 because they were too heavy for light residential framing like we do.

   I also recognize the old planer blade, which I would never use except when trimming. There were too many teeth to file when the blade lost it's edge.

   I wouldn't use anything that dangerous. The exposed blade at the top of the saw is totally unneccary.

   I did have a foreman (he was a great guy, I still love him dearly) that took EVERYTHING off a saw...meaning the entire shroud and also the entire shoe and of course the guard. He thought he was going to be clever and be able to cut heats easily.  In those days  no one had a sawzall. We used chisels and hand saws.

   That crazy hillbilly cut his hand up pretty bad on the first cut!

   blue

     

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   Matt | Feb 02, 2006 03:49pm | #14

   If nobody here knows for sure, which it looks like is the case,  I say get back to whoever drew the plans and ask the q.  It's not unusual for plans to have bogus or ambiguous info on them...  Also, ask where he/she got the term and let us know the story...

    

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   razzman | Feb 11, 2006 09:24pm | #16

   So what'd you find out?

    

    

    

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   CJD | Feb 02, 2006 07:01pm | #15

   Try asking the company that drew the plans.

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   Rickie | Feb 11, 2006 09:33pm | #17

   I'm curious, what part of the country are you in? I've always found regional terms interesting. And what are these 2 X6s bearing on?

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    Oldstaircaseman | Oct 09, 2014 05:07pm | #23

    Okay, collar or collar ties is place under the ridge to hold the ridge together. Very common when there is no ridge pole. When A ridgepole Is used it can use or not , That was always a huge discussion on jobs. When I was the boss we use them.

    when a brace is use like 4' down running from rafter to rafter this is call a wind/ snow / ice brace. True placement is 40% down not quite half way, The brace is making the rafter work together to carry the load. It also use to clear attic for flooring for storage.

    Now the question at hand!  Hogg rafter,  also called a rat run, stiff back, strong back. This is a 2x4 nail flat to the ceiling joist at center of the span with a 2x6 on edge. Wider the span large the lumber. This is a short cut of the bracing called bridging between ceiling and floor joist.

    and you don't have to agree this is just my opinion

    thanks, the old staircase man 

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   oops | Oct 10, 2014 05:27pm | #24

   Hog rafter

   I hope the guy that first posted the question is still alive to see your answer.  He posted it some eight years ago.

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   MarkH | Oct 10, 2014 07:34pm | #25

   I was alive 8 years ago, still alive...  Carry on.

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    Paulwinton2 | Aug 20, 2016 06:11pm | #26

    Hog trough

    I'm from Alabama, the term we use here is, hog trough.

    All it is, two 2 x4's 4 ft. from the peak of your roof, running lengthwise & connecting your rafters

    to create a unified roof.One is laid flat to the underside of the rafters, the other connected to the first

    to form an upside down"trough" of stabilization