FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

What were builders thinking in the 1930s? REF: Roof Framing

ProjectTime | Posted in Construction Techniques on September 29, 2012 08:34am

 

Being born in 81 and only working on homes built post 1965 I am lost in the 1938 brick colonial I am buying. Why would they frame the roof as shown in the attached photos?

The roof is a 8/12 pitch gable roof framed with 2x6s (rafters and joist) lumber. The rim joist appears to be a 1×6. The roof framing has lasted 75 years so it cannot be that bad. What does not make sense is:

1) The rafters have no birdsmouth, they are bearing on a framing detail I have not seen before. I would best describe it as a rim joist. The rim joist appears to be a 1×6 and it is cantilevered 18 outside of the interior wall top plate and brick veneer.

2) Why would they not put the rafters over the joist? It is deforming the 1×6 board they are resting on. My only guess is the framers did not need to frame the roof 16 oc like teh ceiling joist.

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. calvin | Sep 29, 2012 08:49pm | #1

    PT

    What are the centers on the rafters?

    1. User avater
      ProjectTime | Sep 29, 2012 09:31pm | #3

      Here is another picture of the framing

      I attached another picture of the framing. I suspect these diagonal pieces are picking up a descent amount of load.

      I still do not understand why they would not put the rafters over the joist.

      1. DanH | Sep 29, 2012 09:47pm | #4

        They don't put the rafters over the joists because they're not on the same centers.

  2. DanH | Sep 29, 2012 08:58pm | #2

    Keep in mind that a carpenter in 1938 was working with a handsaw.  A birdsmouth, while not that hard to cut, is a lot more tedious with a handsaw than is a straight cut.

    And presumably the carpenter/architect saw no need for the rafter overhang that a birdsmouth provides -- the overhang was supplied by the cantilever (which is actually not that bad an idea).

    One other difference in the house is likely that the ceilings are lower -- probably closer to 7 feet than eight on the top floor.  With the cantilever vs a birdsmouth/rafter overhang the bottom edge of the roof is visually about where it would be with 8-foot ceilings and "modern" framing.

  3. User avater
    hammer1 | Sep 29, 2012 10:39pm | #5

    Even today, many carpenters are not formally trained. They pick up things on the jobsite from the other workers, right or wrong, good or bad. Just like today, that house may not have been built by carpenters, could have been a homeowner. It certainly shows the signs of someone who was not formally trained or didn't follow the more traditional standards. It would be interesting to see the exterior trim.

    Handsaw carpenters would not have had any problems cutting birds mouths, they cut the peak and seat cuts, didn't they? I'm an old handsaw carpenter and though they take more effort, the control and versatility are much better than with electric saws. I don't think it's any more complicated than this was the way the builder knew how to do it.

  4. User avater
    user-341253 | Oct 01, 2012 11:58am | #6

    I have similar framing in a 1938 cottage.

    A 1938 cottage I am working on has very similar framing.  2x4 rafters 24 on center.  I was thinking I should sister at least a 2x6 to each one.  Does anyone have a  suggestion if this is a good idea or not?  As you say, its all original, and it lasted this long, maybe its OK to leave it as? 

    My current project scope was an interior rehab, updated mechanicals and lots of insulation, but if beefing up the roof is a good idea, I'll gladly spend a little to do it.

    Thanks.

    1. calvin | Oct 02, 2012 07:29pm | #8

      Sort of an easy answer...............

      Should you, while there's none of that blown insulation you plan on putting up there?

      If you think it's necessary, then I think now's the time.

      Sight 'em or string 'em and take a look at how many layers of roofing are up there.

             Man, they never liked to throw anything away.................

      Best of luck.

      .

  5. john7g | Oct 02, 2012 08:56am | #7

    signs?

    Is it showing any signs of failure?  It's lasted since 1938.  

    They could do things with that old wood (and I'm not talking about you Calvin) that I woudn't even think about doing with todays fast growth lumber.  

    That intermediate bracing of the rafter is called a purlin and still used in modern construction.  

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

FHB Summit 2025 — Design, Build, Business

Join some of the most experienced and recognized building professionals for two days of presentations, panel discussions, networking, and more.

Featured Video

A Modern California Home Wrapped in Rockwool Insulation for Energy Efficiency and Fire Resistance

The designer and builder of the 2018 Fine Homebuilding House detail why they chose mineral-wool batts and high-density boards for all of their insulation needs.

Related Stories

  • How Trump's “Big Beautiful Bill” Will Affect the Inflation Reduction Act
  • A Drip-Free, Through-Window Heat Pump
  • Podcast Episode 690: Sharpening, Wires Behind Baseboard, and Fixing Shingle Panels
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Hand Tool Sharpening Tips

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Old House Journal – August 2025
    • Designing the Perfect Garden Gate
    • Old House Air-Sealing Basics
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data