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What’s holding the house up?

lumbermonkey | Posted in General Discussion on September 13, 2007 09:00am

Looked at a house built in the 1900’s the other day. Place hasn’t been touched since the 50’s. I was sort of interested in fixing it up but when I got down to the basement I discovered a dirt floor with a small trench dug under the foundation all around the perimeter. There was nothing supporting the interior brick wall down there. Could that just be a brick veneer? I know they use to build these places on grade but didn’t they double up the bricks for a footing or something?

What do you think, could I just pour a footing / curb in the trench, let the house eventually settle onto it?

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  1. Hudson Valley Carpenter | Sep 13, 2007 09:26pm | #1

    Have you looked outside, above grade, to see what kind of foundation is there?  At that age it could be anything from dry laid up boulders with a mud sill to a reinforced, poured concrete wall. 

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    IMERC | Sep 13, 2007 09:30pm | #2

    could be a seriously thickrubble foundation with the veneer...

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!
    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

    1. rez | Sep 14, 2007 01:07am | #4

      And it could be there once was an old log there.

      at 4 bucks a pill and I didn't last four hours I want my money back!sobriety is the root cause of dementia.   

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        IMERC | Sep 14, 2007 01:10am | #5

        that it could be....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

  3. MisterT | Sep 14, 2007 01:05am | #3

    did you look in the attic for helium balloons???

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    I have Transcended the need for Pants....

    oooohhhhmmmmmm......

  4. sisyphus | Sep 14, 2007 03:35am | #6

    Was the brick laid in a running bond style or were there some headers (short sides of the brick facing out)? 

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      lumbermonkey | Sep 14, 2007 08:08pm | #11

      It was running bond style and the brick and mortar were in great shape. No cracks, no rot. The other clues I failed to mention, the bottom foot of old framing in the basement was completely rotted away. Nothing there. I wonder if the basement had standing water in it for a couple decades?

      1. sisyphus | Sep 15, 2007 02:01am | #12

        Ah, a mystery. Well,  something I've never seen before. Here it's rubblestone foundations for the brick houses of that vintage. Now that you have piqued my curiosity. I hope a solution is forthcoming.

  5. grpphoto | Sep 14, 2007 05:49am | #7

    From the outside. Drive a rod down at a 45 degree angle to the foundation. If you start the rod 18" away from the wall and hit something solid, the foundation goes down at least 18". Repeat at various distances until you get no resistance and you will know how deep the foundation footings are.

    George Patterson
  6. dovetail97128 | Sep 14, 2007 07:27am | #8

    lumbermonkey,

    Have you checked for "invisible to the naked eye wires" ?

    Might try running you hand over the roof to see if that is the case.

    "Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca

    1. sisyphus | Sep 14, 2007 05:43pm | #9

      Could also be a gravitational anomaly. Some older structures I've seen were held up by tradition (ie "they have always been there").

  7. Shacko | Sep 14, 2007 07:49pm | #10

    Whithout having an inspection on this house, I WOULD RUN FOR THE HILLS, sorry.

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