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   frammer52 | Jan 13, 2009 12:02am | #1

   yes.

   OK, the difference is generally in the size of the nails or pins they shoot.  ie.16 guage, 18guage 23guage etc.

   
   

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   Ted W. | Jan 13, 2009 12:03am | #2

   I know of crown staples, but not crown nails.

    

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   Shep | Jan 13, 2009 01:34am | #3

   I've heard of crowning studs and joists, but never crowning nails.

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   DanH | Jan 13, 2009 01:36am | #4

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   blownonfuel | Jan 13, 2009 09:30pm | #11

   I think I got it now Ted. One shoots staples and one shoots nails.

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   Ted W. | Jan 13, 2009 10:10pm | #12

   I learned someting too, as my previous post suggests. And that's why I keep hanging around here. =) 

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   gregb | Jan 13, 2009 03:39am | #5

   There's no such thing as a crown nailer, or a crown stapler. There are narrow crown (about 1/4" wide) staplers, standard crown (1/2" or so wide) staplers, & wide crown (about 1" wide) staplers. The term "crown" refers to the width of the staple driven, but is used in conjunction with one of the three terms mentioned before.

   Finish nailers go by gauge. Finish guns use either 15 or 16g nails, while brad guns use 18g brads. Pin nailers use 23g (or thereabouts) pins, either headless or slight-headed.

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   Sphere | Jan 13, 2009 04:12am | #6

   Sure there is..these have a crown or slight peak.

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   gregb | Jan 13, 2009 04:18am | #7

   I stand corrected. Thanks, Sphere.

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   Sphere | Jan 13, 2009 04:22am | #8

   The reason I know that, is they are what I just fixed my watchband with..about four of them across the broken plastic band.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   blownonfuel | Jan 13, 2009 06:47pm | #9

   That's good information Greg. I was thinking it was called that because it was for crown moulding. So one gun does staples and the other nails or pins. So what are the staples usually used for?

   I want a gun that I can use to do trim and mouldings. Should I get a finish nail gun and not the staple gun?

   Thanks

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   Shep | Jan 13, 2009 11:53pm | #13

   For nailing trim, I generally use 2 guns- a 15 ga. finish nailer, and an 18 ga. brad gun. If I had to choose between the two, I really don't know which I'd choose first; probably the brad gun.

   If I were to get only one, I consider buying a 16 ga. finish nailer. A friend of mine has the Paslode which I've used a few times. It seems pretty nice.

   Once you get a finish nailer, and a brad gun, the next one will be a pinner. It shoots 23 ga. nails (pins) that leaves such a small hole that in some woods its almost invisible.

   Whatever gun(s) you choose, pick a brand that you can get nails for easily. The last thing you want is to run out, and then have to wait for the UPS truck to finish the job.

   I use a stapler for attaching plywood, and for assembling things where the large hole left by the staple won't be a problem. Its really not appropriate for trim.

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   blownonfuel | Jan 14, 2009 12:03am | #14

   Thanks Shep that really helps. What is the difference between a finish nail and brad nail?

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   Biff_Loman | Jan 14, 2009 01:44am | #16

   I could be wrong, but I think nails are round (in cross section) whereas brads are pretty much flat, with very slight heads.Pins are like very small brads, except some have heads and some don't.

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   Shep | Jan 14, 2009 02:31am | #17

   Its basically the diameter (gauge)  and length of the nail. There may be some difference in shape, too, but I haven't paid much attention to that.

   As far as I know, the longest 18 ga. brad available is 2". But 15 ga. finish nails are available up to 2-1/2". That may not seem like a lot of difference, but it can be. Plus the 2" brads have a greater tendency to bend, or follow the grain, and blow out in places where you don't want them. Sometimes catching a finger that's too close to the gun. Trust me, that hurts.

   I try not to use brads longer than 1-1/2" for that reason.

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   gregb | Jan 14, 2009 12:14am | #15

   Narrow crown staplers are generally used for installing thin materials such as underlayment, soffit, cabinet backs, etc. They provide a fair amount of holding power & are less likely to split the material than nails. Standard crown guns are often used for attaching sheathing & wood shingles, as well as fastening manufactured products such as pallets together. Wide crown guns are primarily used in the installation of wire lath, & where code allows, roof shingles. I'm with Shep on getting a good 16g gun. They're very versatile & the lighter gauge fastener is less likely than a 15g tool to split the material you're nailing. That said, 18g guns are very handy as well. They don't shoot much more than about a 2" brad, but that's often enough for lighter fastening jobs. Here's a very good deal on a Bostitch 18g brad gun (today only)...http://www.tooliday.com/

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   Ted W. | Jan 13, 2009 09:24pm | #10

   There's no such thing as a crown nailer, or a crown stapler. There are narrow crown (about 1/4" wide) staplers, standard crown (1/2" or so wide) staplers, & wide crown (about 1" wide) staplers. The term "crown" refers to the width of the staple driven, but is used in conjunction with one of the three terms mentioned before.

   Well I'll be dumbfounded (LOL at myself). All the years of wondering why they call them "crown staples" and I never put that together. Well, I guess I should stop using them to staple my crown, since I only have the ones for narrow crowns.

    

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   rustbucket | Jan 15, 2009 12:10am | #21

   This question should be directed to Hitachi...but...maybe...maybe you might know. Requarding Hitachi's products...there is a N5008AC (standard crown - 7/16) and a N5024A (wide crown - 1")...yet their "new guns" standard crown is 1/2 wide and wide crown is 15/16...all 16 gages...plus 1/16 on standard and minus 1/16 on wide crown...I use 7/16 crown for underlayment...just curious of the 1/16 width difference and shorter length staple for "new" tools. Thanks...

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   gregb | Jan 15, 2009 02:13am | #22

   I really don't know why Hitachi changed specs. It may have something to do with the tools then shooting only proprietary fasteners so you're locked into Hitachi staples, but that's just speculation. Standard crown guns are currently available in both 7/16" & 1/2" crown widths depending on the manufacturer. As a result, there are plenty of companies making staples to fit those guns, so I don't get what Hitachi is hoping to accomplish with changing the std. crown gun.

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   larryb | Jan 14, 2009 05:23am | #18

      This subject has been covered well.   The only thing that I could add is;  I

   sometimes use my larger size finish gun for assembly, then screw together.

   It is a fast system for building utilitarian pieces. Trim nail used as a third hand.

    

   larry b

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   blownonfuel | Jan 14, 2009 04:34pm | #19

   Thanks for all the help guys.

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   YesMaam27577 | Jan 14, 2009 07:02pm | #20

   Perhaps your thinking of a narrow crown stapler.

   If so, it shoots staples that have a "narrow crown" as opposed to the normal size of a construction staple.

   (It has nothing to do with cornice molding, or "crown".)

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