Where can I get ungrounded receptacles?
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My home originally had four ungrounded receptacles per room when I moved in. I have since upgraded the electric and added new circuits to each room and added additional receptacles. I used the rectangle receptacles made by Leviton, their Decora series.
I would like to replace the original four receptacles with the same style, but have been unable to find the ungrounded rectangle kind. Does any one make these? I looked on line and have had no luck.
Thank you in advance for your help and input.
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Probably not.
But go directly to Leviton, Cooper, Legend Passmoyre (sp?) and the like and work through there catalogs.
If avaialble they are probably sepcial order.
But you can replace non-grounded by grounding style if you protect them by an upstream GFCI receptacle or breaker.
You are suppose to label then No Equipment Ground if you do that.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Thanks Bill,
I already checked Leviton and Cooper.
I have a couple boxes of ungrounded brown recpt. If you want to post a pic I'll see if they are the same.
Peach full,
easy feelin'.
Thanks Rez, There white, like these:
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10971&minisite=10021&Filter=Y&jfn=ZGE7D91F0718E719F29942F32BB4CEFE7458D648DC6431FD5446B30A0D2848189EBADC84790C1F4E6B1567816BAB73ADC575&oas=05aKvQGp6AV-cGWoQBiAqw..
why not just get grounded ones an leave the ground un connected
Ductape can fix EVERYTHING!!!
Hmm.. no, I don't think installing ungrounded-grounded outlets is very safe.
Use GFI's (labelled as no equipment ground) so you at least have a modern safe alternative. If it is a special color you need, you can find them on the internet.
...that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Edited 2/15/2008 4:14 pm ET by BungalowJeff
oh, ok.
and there you have it, I have successfully proved my theory of not being an electrician. ;)
Ductape can fix EVERYTHING!!!
Well, it all hinges on using that blue sticker, which contradicts buying a new outlet for the looks, doesn't it? But it is safe.
All I know I learned from this board...and comics....that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Thanks Jeff,
I checked on line with on luck. I would use grounded and mark them NO Equipment ground, but I fell some one will plug in a three prong plug anyway and not even think about it.
"I would use grounded and mark them NO Equipment ground, but I fell some one will plug in a three prong plug anyway and not even think about it."That is perfectly OK and legal if it is a GFCI or protected by a GFCI..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
My home depot here has them and a local chain has them. Wonder if it is a local thing, like you guys have those colored spacers for outlet boxes I can't get here, I buy them when I go back to the homeland to visit my sister who is still there in Bloomfield. I am going to HD now will report back. Around here local etectrician would install a grounded outlet upside down when not grounded.Wallyo
Around here local electrician would install a grounded outlet upside down when not grounded.
There is no code designating the ground hole be placed on top or below when installing a recp.
Some electricians intentionally place the ground hole on top in countertop scenarios as a safety feature
with the idea if something like a knife etc. were to fall on a loose plug that was not seated well the knife would hit the ground first instead of crossing the two poles.
Peach full,easy feelin'.
Edited 2/16/2008 11:14 am ET by rez
No I realize that, it is just that often I have replaced an outlet in an older house, looked at it noticed it is upside down ( ground prong at top ) pulled it out and it has had only two wires going to it. Then there would be another outlet in the room that is third prong down and that would have a grounding wire. Always was done on homes that had electrical updated in the 70's.
I think you're going to have a hard time finding non-grounding decora receptacles.
I think Decora style came in after grounding receptacles were required.
One option--get the grounding style decora, get some plasticine modeling clay to match the brown, and fill the grounding hole. If you can't get a plasticine color that matchs, fill the hole with the plastic clay and put a bit of a cover (wall) plate on top of the clay, or use a dab of paint. Yea, I know it's a kludge. But it's an option.
I'll second the thought that it's not right to use a grounding style receptacle when there's no ground. It would naturally lead someone to believe that the outlet is grounded. If they plug in something that has a three-prong plug, where having the ground is important for safety, they'll be sold short on safety.
Plugging the grounding hole is not the best way, but short of installing a GFCI receptacle, it's about the only way to make the installation safe.
Cliff
Got a little confused if you are looking for decora no, but home depot had standard duplexes
levetron 223w. lowes has a wall plate that makes a standard duplex outlet look like a decora, that the third hole is still on the plate there just won't be able to plug in a third prong problem solved. Did not know why a person would want one till now.
Wallyo
Last I looked, they are a stock item at Home Depot. I believe they are in a separate area than the normal grounded outlets, like maybe with the surface mount devices.
Thanks everyone. I will check with Home Depot.
Here is a link I found for the plate I saw, it was not lowes but home depot went to another one today. It seems not all HD's carry it . The HD SKU is A 205 523 they were $2.25. The link will explain it hope it helps.
http://www.taymac.com/taymac/deco-complete.html
Wallyo
Thanks Wallyo.
I don't know if that will solve the problem on second thought, because without looking can't remember if the prongs of a 2 prong outlet would line up to the two main prongs of a three prong outlet. Using that plate you might need to dremel the slots on it to be a little longer to get the two to line up.Wallyo
Edited 2/17/2008 5:14 pm ET by wallyo
Sorry, I only saw conventional 2 wire receptacles at Home Depot. I will suggest that a GFCI outlet be used upstream of the 2P2W outlets, or that the outlets be grounded with a ground conductor. The decora covers are definitely a good alternate option.
ungrounded outlets (replacement of existing receptacle)
I found this old thread after looking for some replacement outlets for my home. I found them on line at several retailers, including Amazon:
http://sasanelectricals.com/le15122pstbl.html
http://sasanelectricals.com/le15122pstbl.html
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LUU8S8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/Receptacles-Residential-15-Amp-Duplex/Leviton/223-W/product.aspx?zpid=160315
http://www.onestopbuy.com/leviton/223-W-8299.asp
Cooper also makes similar fixtures -
http://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Wiring-Standard-Duplex-Receptacle/dp/B000GAX61Y/ref=sr_1_21?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1369821234&sr=1-21&keywords=cooper+duplex+receptacle