Starting a fun roof project on this beautiful atypical house for our area . David Doud said in the chimney thread it looked like it should be in California ,and I agree. Glad it’s not though – the commute would be he**.
The North side of this hipped roof home has two hip roofed dormers and the roof changes pitch near the bottom – making snow not clear off like many homes with slate.
There has been back up issues in the past and especially this past Winter.
There were 16 oz. copper aprons installed over 25 years ago by another indepenent contractor.
My scope is to remove all the slate , renail all the sheathing , install Grace over the whole roof up to the valley dormer , then 30 felt above that.
I’ll start by removing the lowest 3 courses , cleaning up the hemlock boards and renailing them , adding a 20 oz. copper drip edge and installing 3′ tall standing seam panels of 20 oz. also. I’ll dry in for the moment till all the copper is completed then move up and prepare the balance of the roof.
As you’ll see in the pictures there is a lot of ruined slate from snow raking and just ice damage.
I’ll be using a wider slate of the same length to slate in the middle between the dormers.
Here goes.
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The prior roofers - couldn't call them slaters - cause they violated almost every standard of practice that I can think of.
They made aprons of 16 oz. copper with a drip on it - then covered half of it with slates. They joined them as you would ductwork with drive cleats ! They cheated on the sidelap - leaving only an 1.5" on a lot of slates , and began on the starter courses with no cant strip and lastly punctured the copper with galvanized nails.
I was only working from one tower of staging so I wanted to get my game plan established today.
I exposed one 8 ' area and tried my drip edge and panels then felted it in temporarily.
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One last batch for tonite since I'm only just getting my feet wet on this job.
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Your job/pic threads are some of the very best. It is a fantastic privilige to watch a master perform. Thanks for taking the time to let us see it.
Carry on. =) Naive but refreshing !
Woody,
Man my ego just got stroked big time. Thank you very much for the more than kind words.
This one should take a month to complete so you might get bored before the wrap up.
Walter
Loved the self portrait Walter.
You be getting pretty arsty!A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Or perhaps fartsy !
Haven't seen the white headed wonders yet - but the river is only 150 yards from the South side.
I'll be watching.
Walter
Walter
Haven't seen the white headed wonders yet - but the river is only 150 yards from the South side.
I'll be watching.
This was in our local paper this week.
Rich
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(Photos contributed) Earl Draayer, manager of the Le Mars airport, caught seven bald eagles gathering in a tree near the airfield. The majestic national symbol is making more and more appearances in the flesh around Le Mars. The eagles are following open water in their migration route, according to the county naturalist. A close up shot of an eagle at a nature rescue preserve shows the strong hooked beak.
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Walter,Thank you for another fine thread. I always learn something from your posts.
I kow it takes a lot of time to do good photo threads.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck ,
Thank you again. It does take time for the embedded photo threads , as your great tutorial showed us all lots of great woodworking techniques.
I enjoy it too - both the work and illustrating here.
I'm sending the link to the couple that own this marvelous property as well.
They can check on my progress from the den.
The Dr. did climb up with me after lunch to survey what we'd be doing.
Walter
Now that you are here, I was waiting to ask, were those hot dipped galvies holding the slates instead of copper nails?
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Yes they were.
The aprons were done a long while ago by a roofer , not a slater. I think I mentioned early on that he violated most every standard in his work.
You'll see a world of difference as this job unfolds.
No sign of any galvanic reaction though - I think thats a myth.
My pictures were always in the 100 to 200 range before. I don't know what is different now. I'll work on it.
Too bad you can't get an air card to work - what a treat !!
That'd be the way to go if I had reception for it here. Do you pay by the minute of the month?
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I'm going to try just one photo to try my resizing techniques again
This picture shows the sheathing being proud of the crown and the old aprons being removed. Notice theres no kick on this drip edge. Theres a 3/4' beadboard below the hemlock sheathing.
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And when the aprons are removed I'll cut them up for tabs to install on my wooden roof brackets , instead of getting a few bucks for scrap value.
Still trying my resizing skills too.
Looks like they're still coming out too large.
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walter ... i take huge pics
but no matter ... in IrfanView,.... i choose
OPEN
then IMAGE
then RESIZE
in RESIZE i go to the right hand column ( HALF ) and choose
640 x 480
they all come out like this
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if you "right-click " that you will get a drop down menu .. select "properties"
it will tell you it's 17169 bytes
when i originally resized it , it was saved at 125 kb..... ( 640 x 480 )
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Mike,
Thats the same way I've always done it , but this last few days they're coming out much larger.
I'll keep working on it.
Thank you,
Walter
That has happened to me, on the desk puter they come out bigger than the LT..both Irfanviewed the same, same camera...must be an XP issue or something , I have yet to figure it out.
I too just pick the size and nothing else.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Fantastic photos and discussion Walter. I look forward to learning more. Interesting that the original slate is now 98 years old!
Robert,
Thank you so much for joining in and checking on this great project you've entrusted me to perform.
Now that I've got the kinks out of resizing the pictures , next week we'll be discussing the actual work at hand.
Thanks again , Walter
here's one from the West Passage
the original was 3872 x 2592
4,259,359 bytes
when i resized it in Irfanview... i opened it.... went to the right hand column , checked 640 x 480
and got this
640 x 428
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however...... when i embed it .... the software in BT further reduces it
so, if you right -click the above photo and find it's properties
you will see that the embedded photo is only
17,334 bytes
yet, it has great clarity , and it fills the whole screen
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Wow, nice picture of the west passage. What's the pole barn structure?"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
that's the F. Getty Pavillion, our Lion's Club built it about 30 years ago
hey , Walter, how's this hi-jack working out ?
sorry....... but it does bump the hits up , right ?
Ft. Getty was a coastal defense fort in WWII... it was also a N-A-Z-I re-education camp ....
and now it's our municipal camp ground
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Mike,
Theres absolutely no problem with adding other info - it's done all the time to most every thread.
I want to get that size thingy resolved so that all who want to look in are able to. I'll try to add more info as I go to explain the process since that was a salient point you made.
PT is going good, much less pain ,and better range of motion.
Thanks for the tips.
Walter
Another stab at resizing.
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walter
I know the prefered photo software here is Infraview, but I had trouble loading it.
So I went with Picasa.
I don't do anything with my camera settings. I just shoot pictures. Load them on the computer and when I want to put them on BT, I put them on a HTML format with just a few clicks.
There are settings for e-mail and Websites and since BT is the only place I post pics it automatically goes to Web site size. All pictures come out between 30 KB and 100 KB.
I find Picasa very easy to use. I probably wouldn't switch even if you could show me Infaview was better, so I don't expect you to change just because I said I use Picasa.
My 2 cents.
Rich
Rich,
I have Picasa too , and all my photos are automatically sent to that folder when I upload them.
I'm going to try them next. Do I look stubborn ?
Walter
Rich,
You've just enabled me to move from the dark ages to modern times !!
I just resized all 43 pictures I'd taken the other day with a few clicks, instead of laboriously doing them individualy ! Thats going to save huge amounts of time for me when posting here or putting them into Shutterfly or Picasa albums to e mail to clients.
I'm not only not stubborn -- I've been enlightened !!
I owe you one , big time !
Walter
I'm going to use my new Picasa resized folder to put up a few more showing the drive cleat system that the prior roofer used.
You can see in the last picture that he used a copper nail to hold the apron down where the drive cleat would cover it .
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Shoot - maybe I'll be going to Picasa now. I have had it for a couple years, but never really used it much
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Walter,You were resizing one by one? That's what I had feared when I sent my email.You can batch resize in Irfanview, too. Actually, that might be my favorite thing about that program. An entire directory of images resized lickety split.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
My limited technology skills didn't allow me to see how to batch resize with that program.
I should have asked for help sooner. Any idea why my text on my new Picasa photos won't upload here with Mizinga ?
I thought Mike was going to be so proud of me !!!
Walter
Walter,Are you trying to write on the images themselves? Or put some text in an Alt tag that would appear when you mouse over the image?Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve, In Picasa I discovered this morning you can add text directly onto the bottom of the photo - and it's saved when I click on it before I upload it here.
But it doesn't come thru the filters or whatever here. I thought that was a great way to give a short blurb on each embedded picture.
Walter,Let me try something out and I'll see what happens.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thanks very much Steve. If it works I think it might catch on here. It looked great in the pictures I added text to in the folder.
Walter
Walter,OK, it worked. I just downloaded Picasa3 and am using Firefox to access BT. There could be a problem with Internet Explorer, but I wouldn't think so.On Picasa, you did click 'Apply' (last line in the left hand box) after you entered your text, right? Without that the text won't be saved on the photo.Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Yes I saved it and rechecked the folder before I tried uploading here. It was on the photo I tried this morning , just before I uploaded it. It's still on the photo , but didn't survive the upload.
Maybe IE doesn't permit it - since it's a Google product !!
Here's a try in IE
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You're making me look incompetent here Steve !!!
I've got to get some stuff done here so I'll try it again later.
Thanks for all your help.
Walter
LOLNonsense. You're the one with the beautiful work here.I'm only good at banging pixels together.Keep me posted on how your next try works out.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Walter,
I had to upload the IE version separately, so that function appears to work.
Try adding text to another photo and see what happens.
I was ready to believe the Bill Gates conspiracy theory, too :)
Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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You're the resident IT genius man.
Can you teach us flubs to do that ??
Walter, after you resize and save in Irfanview, you go image > information > and about 2/3s of the way down that box is file size so you can see how big the file is.I think if you do file > save AS instead of save, you then have to open the newly named file to see the information on it.
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No sign of any galvanic reaction though - I think thats a myth.
As always, thanks for showing us how.
Galvanic action needs water to make the recipe complete. We just replaced some year old copper step flashing that was nailed on with galvy gun nails. It was nailed right at the bottom of the piece where water could get to it. The flashings had started to slide out because the nails were gone. Part of the shank was left down in the sheathing.
I also had a situation where the house had nearly new galvy downspouts on it when we installed a copper roof. HO wanted to keep the new spouts until they wore out because he'd just paid for a paint job on them. Less than a year later, the elbows were all eaten through. http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I thought that myth quote might elicit a response ! I know it does happen when more water is in the mix - kinda tongue in cheek - but I figured you or someone else would call me on it.
Making sure you guys aren't napping out there !
I also had a situation where the house had nearly new galvy downspouts on it when we installed a copper roof. HO wanted to keep the new spouts until they wore out because he'd just paid for a paint job on them. Less than a year later, the elbows were all eaten through.
Save a dollar, spend a thousand. The guy must be related to me.
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-- Robert Frost
In Irfanview, after resizing, and during the "save as" function, a little dialog box pops up on the right hand side.
At the top of this dialog box, there is a little slider labeled "quality" with numbers zero to 100.
There are also checkboxes labeled "EXIF" data.
If you move that slider down to say 30, and uncheck all the boxes labeled "EXIF" and "date/time", you can easily get a 1020 x 760 picture under 100 kb... a 640 x 480 should be less than 75 kb.
You can also do a batch resize function in Irfanview... but I haven't figured it out yet :).
This is a recent flashing project I worked on. It is in 3 pieces, and the seams (mostly under shingles) are soldered. There was water under the original shingles on top of the ice and water, and the wood within 1" of the chimney on the right side (looking at the pics) was wet. Along the chimney to the right, the original flashing was 3/4" above the shingles. The original flashing was thin aluminum coil stock.
Note picture sizes and kb. I won't embed them, though.
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You can also add text with Irfanview.
"Select" an area by clicking (left) on a spot and drag the mouse to make a rectangle. Unclick and the area is selected.
Click "Edit" in the top menu, and click on "Inset Text into Selection"
Type what you want into the box.
Note: Checking "text is transparent" makes the selected area disappear when you are done. "Background color" means the selected area will be that color. In "Choose Font" you can choose the font and size/color of the text.
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Thank you for that tutorial on Irfanview. I'll go back when I have time and recheck what you've suggested.
Nice copper work !
Thanks. I edited my post to include "adding text" directions.
Going to try a picture with text applied again.
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Steve,
It worked that time . I think I'm going to like this new technique thanks to you and Rich.
Hope Mr. Smith enjoys my efforts to improve my delivery.
Walter
Looking good Walter,Thanks to you I'm trying out Picasa again. I think this is a great way to add a little info to the photos here.If you have a hi-res version of that self portrait, send it my way. I think it's a fine shot.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
I'll have to take another. I saved it in the resized version.
I'll get less glare with the next one.
Just put my plow to bed for the year - going back out to load a bunch of gear for this project and get straightened up a bit.
Thanks again.
Walter
Looks like it worked.
Nice picture.... just make it a bit smaller in kb :)
Should be able to get that down to 50 kb.
If you reopen the picture with Windows Picture and Fax viewer (assuming you are on Windows here), and use Paint to edit, then you can do text, lines and circles. Irfanview doesn't do lines and stuff like Paint as far as I know. Maybe there is a plugin for that.
Resized in Irfanview, text and stuff added with Paint. I think I need to make the font bigger. Choosing the lower yellow icon after selecting "add text" in Paint (the letter A in the toolbar) keeps the original background in the selected area. "Select" an area just like in Irfanview. The upper icon deletes the background in the selected area.
The Paint edits in the pic below added about 40kb to the original file size.
Wow -- thats impressive there!
I can see I've got so much to learn yet.
Thanks for sharing that.
Walter
Thanks, but I know just enough to be dangerous with some of this computer stuff :)
I also have much to learn.
Regarding the loss of your high res image, always choose "Save As"- then a new file is created instead of overwriting the original with the plain "Save" command.
Creating another folder for something like resized images within the original folder of full res images is another thing that helps. If you rename the pic files, just add something like "small" when you do the "save as" into the other folder. Windows will keep the original file name in the "save as" function- just click next to the blue field to add to the original name instead of deleting it by pressing a key.
Note that my pic has a name, then small, then text. Those tags helped me find it to post here.
The method outlined above may not work for a pro editing lots of images, but it works for me at this time.
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Thats a mistake I've made in the past just "save" instead of "save as "
I'm a pretty good slater , but not much of a computer guru.
Trying a couple more. Nope I've got one more step later.
When working with a photo, every time a jpeg is saved it will deteriorate the level of hi-definition a tad.
So if you are opening and saving a same image multiple times, saving to a TIF instead of a jpeg will keep the same detail
and then saving as a jpeg only at the last.
When shrinking a pic then adding text thru Paint it is better to shrink the pic first then save as a TIF.
Then opening that TIF with paint to add the text gives clearer definition to the lettering than working with a larger pic, adding text, then shrinking.Oh Bohemian, Live Forever!be a groupie groupie
Thanks for the tips
Walter
I do IE too. I posted this photo to Piffin.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=117539.63
On screen it looks alot bigger than any of your photos and yet it is only 72 KB.
I choose a pic or series of pics. You can highlight one photo move down to the last one you want to covert to HYML page and then with the shift key pushed down click on the last photo you want to work with and it will highlight them all.
It works for moving pic from folder to folder too. Or hold down control key and click on each pic.
Any way go to Format then Export as HTML Page, I chooose web page 640 pixels.
Then it asks you for a choice of templates you want to use, for posting to BT it doesn't make any difference which one you choose.
Then when attaching documents I go to My Documents, then HTML exports, then the pictures I want, then click on images and there should be your pics all numbered.
Then upload.
As I understand Picasa, all your pictures are stored on your hard drive under My Pictures. Picasa just helps you manipulate them. Your pictures are not stored in Picasa.
Picasa is set up as folders. Your pictures are organized by folder. If you want to create an album, not a web album, just an album in Picasa, then you can pick pictures from various folders to be in an album. Like all the pictures of my dog.
The album is not a seperate copy on the hard drive , it's more like a collection of pictures from various folders. This can be uploaded to a web album.
I am doing alot of family stuff. So I scan family photo albums (some of the plastic is stuck) so I scan the whole page then crop out individual pics and make copies. I can retouch flaws, make pictures lighter or add shadowing, or make them sharper.
Then I can group the Tokheim pictures in an album, and then Cargin pictures in another album and yet the folder stays intact (all mixed together).
Then I can do web albums or burn CDs for family.
One caution. I downloaded Picasa 3 when it came out, around the 1st of the year.
I had problems burning CD and then with Picasa locking up. I went to Picasa forums and got answers. Since that time I have removed Picasa twice and reinstalled. All my pictures stayed intact on my hard drive.
Now everything works perfect.
Below is a screen shot of the pixel dialog box.
I will not embed pic for Piffin's sake.
Rich
Rich,
Yes I remember seeing that photo and meant to ask then how you did it.
Very impressive.
Walter
Walter
It looks like you have figured out embedded text. You have to click on the box that says Text and ABC. You can move it around and change the color.
You can also do text just below the photo.
Just start typing and it appears below.
The below text shows up on web albums or can be turned off when viewing.
But on CDs sometimes it shows up and other times I have had it not show up.
Rich
walter.... whassup with you guys ?i go to bed last nite and wake up this am... and there are 43 more posts on this threadtalk about hi-jack !so..... it's all goodme ... i think i like the embedded photos... but the text in the pic sometimes detracts from the picand the contrast is not high enough for easy reading of the textone thing i do like about the idea is tat it reminds the poster of exactly what is in the pic to help in describing it to the viewerthis on-line photo essay stuff is a work in progress.... ehhMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
It sure is. Too bad someone on staff couldn't handle these chores ! Oh, thats right I guess I already do.
Mike
but the text in the pic sometimes detracts from the pic
I usually put text below.
But for Piffin I made a copy of the picture and added text to explain details.
Rich
I coming to post some more pictures try the new method - smaller pictures with description on then.
Lets have some feedback please. Mike may be right about the contrast not being good , but lets hear it.
Can't improve by standing still.
Heading out in a bit with Ellen to hit Borders dinner and a local production her friend is in, so I won't answer right away.
Thanks for looking
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i wonder if there is a different color text you can embed in the photo
pretty good , all-in-allMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike ,
I'm playing around . Much like that great Irishman joke you told earlier !
Yes I'll try different colors for different backrounds. Also got to watch the text doesn't overrun the picture.
I can master this !
Walter
They look good to me. Quality is fine for this type of discussion.
Size of upload is still kind of large. I seem to get pretty good images in the 60-100 KB range.
Some of yours are nearly twice that size. That's no problem for us on DSL.
But the image looks larger than the stuff you posted earlier. (Your image in copper.)
Rich
Rich,
I'm still working on it but with some practice and feedback from you kind lads I think I'll continue to employ this option at times.
I guess I can post each picture and explain below it too, but this way enables you to put them in Shutterfly or whatever and have a good commentary.
Walter
Walter
Text below the picture doesn't show up when I upload to BT.
I have to do the Text box and embed in picture.
Text below, (just start typing, no text box) does show up in web albums though.
Rich
Walter,
I looked for this on Picasa earlier and didn't see it, but it might exist.
What I do is get my picture sized the way I want it, then draw a colored (usually black) rectangle that runs the full width of the photo. I place that at the top or bottom of the image, whichever is least distracting to the central theme of the image. I then screen the transparency of that rectangle back to maybe 70% or so, so that some of the image appears from below. Then I have a good spot to write on top of the rectangle.
Otherwise you wind up have wild swings in the background image colors that make spots in the text hard to read.
Here's a sample --
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FatRoman
How do you import an image from BT to Picasa?
I can import from my camera and from a scan, but I have not been able to import images from the web or from BT. I know BT is on the Web.
For instance I wanted to import a picture of an old gas pump and put it in my Picasa albums.
My great great uncle was Jon Tokheim and he invented one of the 1st kerosene pumps , that then got made into gas pumps. He started the Tokheim Pump Co and in my family history I want to do pictures of family and include this gas pump picture next to his picture.
Thanks
Rich
Rich,Right click on the image (and this should work whether the image in question is embedded in the thread or not), then select save as from the drop down. Name it whatever you'd like and save it in a directory of your choosing.Then open Picasa and Ctr-O or File - Add File to PicasaFind the image you just saved and select it. It should pop up in your Picasa.That's it. Make sense?Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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steve
Thank you. I followed your advice and saved an image from BT.
At 1st I couldn't find it.
Most new imports show up at the top of thelist in Picasa.
These were in My Pictures way down the list.
I used a search and they showed up right away.
Thanks again.
Rich
You don't really import TO Picassa. Picassa is a program that allows you to view, organize, and manipulate your photos, but they are stored on your had drive, generally in My Photos, unless you have created a different folder ( I have three primary)right click on any image you see online on your screen, and choose "Save Image as" then browse to the location where you want it. If you intend to create a special folder for certain one, create that first in "My Documents" ....
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Thanks. I saved an image from BT.
Rich
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By the way, What does the Penobscot have to do with saving and resizing pictures?
How did a thread on pictures get a name like that?
Some things I will never understand.
Rich
Welcome to Breaktime.Oh Bohemian, Live Forever!be a groupie groupie
Picasa only seems to work on macs with duo core intel thingys, and evil pc stuff...http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Rich,
This started out as a thread on a big slate and copper project - house is near the Penobscot River in central Maine.
Since I was posting too large pictures it has evilved into a photo imaging thread now.
I've learned a lot today thanks to you and Steve.
Hopefully on Monday when I get back at the work at hand this thread can revert back to a tutorial on restoring a great Monson slate roof.
Hopefully there will still be some viewers still at that point.
Walter
walter
You never know when a thread is gonna' go South or for what reason !
Walter
I just knew when I did not include LOL that somebody was going to come along and treat me like I just showed up with all new tools and brand new jeans. LOL
I have been on this thread since the 1st post. That's the only way to see a new thread.
This has been an enlightening thread. And now back to more from our host about slate roofs and copper flashings.
I'm looking forward to it. And I am sorry for hijacking a good thread.
By the way what is a Penobscot? Just kidding. We get the LL Bean catalog even out here.
Good night.
Rich
According to Wikki,
"The word "Penobscot" originates from a mispronunciation of their name "Penawapskewi." The word means "rocky part" or "descending ledges" and originally referred to the portion of the Penobscot River between Old Town and Bangor. The tribe has adopted the name Penobscot Indian Nation."sine the thread went south and the river runs south, and Walter has succesfully navigated the descent over the rough ledges to find smoother sailing with hhis photo posting, I'm sure you can see the connection.;)
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Piffin
I knew it was a river in Maine and that it sounded Indian.
I was just in a playful mood last night.
I just looked up Maine in my 50 state atlas.
I looks like it is a pretty signficant river.
I love maps and keep an atlas near the desk at all times.
I have never been to Maine, but it is on my wish list.
I got as far as western CT once.
Rich
ATLAS? dude, yer at a computer..LOL
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Some times paper is better and faster.
Especially in the bathroom..
I meant reading material.
Now look what you have done,I promised myself I was going to stay out of Walter's thread. And here I am doing some silly reply.
Rich
While you have the Atlas on your lap, follow the Penobscot downstream to where it hits the Penobscot Bay.The long narrow island there is Islesboro. I live on the north half of it.Then further south in the Bay is the larger islands of North Haven and Vinalhaen where Walter has done other work.I'd link you there in Google earth, but that is another site I have to avoid on dial up.
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Thanks for the info.
I like to know where people are coming from geographically. Maybe it doen't make any difference.
It's just one of those questions people usually use to start a converstion.
I looked Iseboro up on the Atlas and on MS's version of Google earth.
Looks like you guys live in the prime vacation spot of the NE.
Out here we have hog buildings and corn fields. And more corn fields. Mile after mile of corn and soybean fields. Every so often we have a tree or two. LOL
Rich
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Looks like you guys live in the prime vacation spot of the NE.>>>>
depends on what you want for your vacation
the summer water temp is a lot lower in that area than the coast below Cape Cod
here's a chart for Islesboro
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31°F
10°F
4.06 in.
38°F
February
33°F
12°F
3.01 in.
36°F
March
42°F
22°F
4.38 in.
38°F
April
52°F
32°F
4.45 in.
43°F
May
64°F
42°F
4.18 in.
49°F
June
73°F
51°F
3.88 in.
55°F
July
79°F
57°F
3.20 in.
59°F
August
77°F
55°F
3.01 in.
62°F
September
69°F
48°F
4.10 in.
57°F
October
58°F
38°F
4.33 in.
54°F
November
46°F
30°F
4.74 in.
52°F
December
35°F
17°F
4.31 in.
44°F
here's one for the Northeast
Atlantic Coast: North
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Who was that guy chiding somebody for posting an attachment that caused you to scroll, LOL
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Average weather for LeMars.
Looks like we are colder in the winter and warmer in the summer. In the summer we have stifling humidity and in the winter the wind never stops blowing. Our 2 trees don't slow down the wind too much.
ME looks like the parts of MN that are so popular for a vacation around here.
Ok, so ME probably isn't the best place to go swimming in the early summer. LOL
Rich
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Looks like we are colder in the winter and warmer in the summer. In the summer we have stifling humidity and in the winter the wind never stops blowing. Our 2 trees don't slow down the wind too much.
Here ya go:
http://www.windbreaktrees.com/jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
John
Thanks for the link.
We have more than 2 trees. We really have 23. LOL
I used to be habitat coordinator for Pheasanst Forever and assisted farmers with the planting of trees and windbreaks.
We would order thousands of seedlings and keep them in a refer trailer until they could come and pick them up.
I was ackwardly trying to make this point. The wind always blows here and we have mostly farm ground around here. There is very little to stop the wind from blowing.
There are lot of days where the wind is decent in town and unworkable in the country.
I imagine Maine to be much like MN, where they grow trees like we grow grass.
But you are from Il so you probably have similar geography to us.
Rich
The only reason I had that link handy was because a SW IA friend had just sent it to me yesterday. He and dw are getting ready to put in a full blown, 3 row wind break.
I grew up in the boondocks, so have always appreciated the ability of wind breaks to improve winter liveability.
Maybe you just need to put in a turbine. Have that wind pay you.
jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
"Out here we have hog buildings and corn fields. And more corn fields. Mile after mile of corn and soybean fields. Every so often we have a tree or two. LOL"Rich, Rich, RichDo you write for the Iowa Tourism board? or just Plymouth County tourism ;)
Barry E-Remodeler
Barry
I just drove to Sheldon and back this morning.
I saw loons on the water, lighthouses, lobster boats headed out for the catch.
Nah, saw mile after mile of corn field, hog barns beyond count and one very big dairy.
I remember coming back to IA in 1993 after living in Brooklyn NY for about 5 months. I could have kissed the ground. The openness of the land. The freedom to drive thru the countryside and see for miles was exhilerating after being cramped up in the city.
Literally I was just reveling in the Iowa landscape.
We live in a kind of Mayberry existance. I can always find my car keys, they are in the ignition. The kids can ride all over town and play in the park without supervision.
I think we all hunger for a get away that is different than our present surroundings.
I love to go to SD hunting. A land without roads every mile. Mile after mile of grasslands.
Rich
Now that's the kind of passion the tourism board wants. I was just pulling your leg a little.I was born in Iowa, lived in Wyoming, Oklahoma and New York. Always come home to Iowa. People can check out RAGBRAI this year if they think Iowa is all flat. :)I just thought you were trying to keep people from moving to Iowa. Who wants more people? <G>
Barry E-Remodeler
I grew up farming - always admired the soil in Iowa
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No work Monday due to inclement weather.
Back today to strip some more of the eaves to get ready for the SS panels.
I'm going to try to upload the pictures with text added and try that process for the first sequence.
Feedback on that technique is most welcomed.
Thanks , Walter
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I'm not sure thats the best method either.
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Walter,Since you asked, I find the text in the picture to be very difficult to see.I really appreciate and enjoy the work you put in these threads, so don't take this as a blanket criticism.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Not at all Jon - I think I feel the same way.
Think I'll try putting the text in the post again like before.
Thanks for the feedback, Walter
Glad yer back up and at it.
Hey, call me a newbie, but I have no idea what a drive cleat looks like, can you exlain?
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I'm going to guess that the drive cleat is much like what you'd use to join ductwork together.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Duane,
In duct work you turn an edge one way , back onto the duct , or in this case the sheet. The one next is turned the other way , then a cleat flat on top and turned towards each other below is driven onto the other folds to hold them in place.
It's not an accepted roofing technique that I'm aware of , But this guy used it anyway.
Walter
Gotcha. Seems like copper would want to wad up if it was being hammered on. And yeah, not cool for a roof.
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I bet they had to use a pair of locking seamers at the top and pull too to get a 36" cleat on.
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-- H.G. WellsWell, you did ask.The change in the font size, color and location is kind of distracting. The eye gets used to looking in one spot. (My eye is just as lazy as the rest of me)I'd be happy to write up some step by step instructions for screening out the text background in GIMP if you'd like. I think the concept is excellent, it's just suffering in the application here. Let me know how I can help.You're not going to use that broken slate in your hip, I trust ;)Best,
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Steve,
I didn't want to have to pester you with showing me Gimp , But it would be better than what I've got now.
I downloaded it , but with my limited skills in that regard I couldn't figure it out.
That slate can either be used on a left hand hip , or cut to make a starter slate.
Thanks again , Walter
Walter,I'll put something together for you. Not a bother in the least.The hip comment was not about the roof. Apparently a very lame joke about your own hip.Of course if you did that, you could morph into a new super hero "The Slateman"Best,
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I knew you were making a joke about my own hip just responded differently.
The PT is doing a nice job for me. Almost back to " normal "
So you are getting a Pressure Treated hip, eh?
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Was the wait staff all that you'd hoped for ??
The last batch for today.
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Mike always had another open Narragansett on hand. Pretty good service if you ask me. GIMP is pretty easy. Instructions on the way shortly.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thank you very much for all the help.
Those lobsters are going to have to be bigger me thinks.
Justin may have been skeered off. Haven't heard from him.
Walter
Hi Walter,OK, one easy to use guide to GIMP right off the presses. Plenty of screenshots so you can follow the bouncing ball as you sing along.I was going to post them here, but I didn't want Mike to give me a hard time for having over 4 photos in a single post. LOLYou can grab it off my server here:http://www.fatroman.com/FHB/GIMP_instructions.pdfI've never used the program before this evening and found it pretty easy to figure out. The one thing I'll mention (it's in the guide, too) is to make sure your settings are the way you want them before you click on your photo. You can't adjust them once in place. But you can always use the magic of Control-Z to go back a step or more (just keep clicking that combo)Let me know if you have any questions.Best,
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Great thread, I love to watch others work well.Hey, didn't you post some pics earlier that had like a grey box at the bottom with text inside? That was the ticket for me.I wouldn't worry about Justin not showing up... this is is just slightly beyond the diy crowd<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Snort,
That was Steve who used that technique . He's sent me a tutorial on how to do just that.
I'll be trying to learn a new way tonite.
Walter
Steve,
Thank you very much for all the work in figuring out the proper steps.
I won't have time to go thru it until tonite , but I'll be practicing then.
Have a great day, Walter
Steve,
I just read thru it and saved it in favorites for referring back to later when I try it out .
I think that that will be acceptable to most - once the text becomes more readable.
Thanks again.
Walter
Walter,Very glad to have helped.Now of course the pressure is on for this to be the most magically fantastic photo thread ever.It really is pretty easy. I think I didn't spell this out in the pdf but if you need to reposition the rectangle the 0 0 coordinates are to set it in the upper left corner. Then just adjust the width the match the width of the photo. Sometimes that's easier than trying to precisely drag the rectangle around.Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
No way I can live up to that billing. It's just another slate and copper job ,that I'll take pride in doing and glad to show those who have interest here.
Forrest is the real photo thread titan - and Smitty can really weave a tale .
I'm just trying to improve the show - no video links or voice overs , just a few pictures !!
Walter
Walter
We look forward to more pics and stories.
I am watching from the sidelines even if I don't post/hijack. LOL
Rich
I've figured now that most likely a bunch of folks watch without posting here.
Glad you're still here.
Did you look at Steves link to a tutorial on Gimp photo manipulation?
Walter
Walter
Did you look at Steves link to a tutorial on Gimp photo manipulation?
Yes and saved to favorites, I also saved this thread for future reference.
I have not downloaded gimp yet. Too many other irons in the fire to add one more at this time.
There is always something good to download and learn, but not always enough time.
In the meantime I have to make some money. Too easy to let BT eat a guy's time.
Rich
Rich,
The snow is now receding enough that I can get back full time again - so less time for BT.
I'll be taking more pics tomorrow if the rain isn't steady.
Walter
Walter,We can teach you to do videos and voice overs if you'd like to add those to your repertoire.You can use similar techniques in gimp to put in circles, arrows and the like if there's something in the photo that you'd like to point out.I'd say you are making a fine case for yourself as the new photo thread titan. Look forward to seeing more.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
When the money starts flowing well again soon , I want to get a nice video camera to record some things.
Maybe for the future website or here or Youtube.
Seems like that would be fun to use on certain jobs.
Trying out Gimp later - gotta load debris pails and a load for the junkyard.
Walter
Walter,
Do you ever stop?
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Taking pictures ??!!
Chuck , I'm just getting back in full swing again after a cold and snowy Winter.
A few more pictures of the preliminary work . I'll finish up ripping out the lowest 3' of slate and copper tomorrow so that I can begin the drip edge and panels next week.
I don't know why I needed plural since I'm working alone so far ! I screwed my signs onto plastic horses so I can set them up easily around this circular driveway.
The second picture shows a starter slate riding up on the drive cleat - making it harder for the first full slate to bridge that discrepancy. One side nailed with hot dipped and the other with electro galv.
The last two show how the oldsters used to patch in a slate in the field. Make a center hole between the two slates above , slide it into place , nail one nail into the hole , then cover with a metal " bib ". In this case it was galv. and inserted long ago.
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Stephen,
Thought you'd get a kick out of seeing my red access ladders on this set up. Theres another 28' yellow linesmans ladder on a tower behind me.
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The last few for tonite.
We talked a few weeks back about copper waste vent flashings in another thread. Here's one I'll do as this project winds down . There's one here and another on the main house to do.
Picture of a fully adhered EPDM roof I did about 20 years ago on the covered pergola.
Last one shows my site bench for cutting the old aprons into " tab " stock for my wooden slate brackets or whatever needs to be fabricated -- like the stink pipe boots later on.
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cool!
Frammer, thanks for looking in yet again.
Walter
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Duane,
My copper cylinder will be just larger than the hub itself so I won't deal with it at all.
If it came right at the roof line then yes a Fernco is usually needed.
walter
Gotcha Walter,
Man, I had to cut it below the roofline in that house and it was a royal pita. And the cast was cracked, no inside acess, so I cut it from the roof through the hole w/a sawzall..then had to fit my hand in to snug the fernco...yikes, I was bloody.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Don't ya just love it when the satellite guys screw dishes down on flat roofs?
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From what I've seen most of them aren't good at roofing - just fu**ing them up !
It rained last nite and will for most of the weekend so I removed more slate and copper and dried in for nasty weather.
The first picture shows how water was getting thru the drive cleat system. Each seam was wet down low.
Original felt was below the felt used by the last roofers - pretty well fried now.
Renailed all the sheathing boards with stainless ring shank to tighten them up.
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Last few for today. Duane, the stack flashing in picture 8 has a cast hub coming right at roof height !
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Hey Walter -
I wonder if an HVAC guy moonlighted on that snow belt install? We've got a copper roof in a nearby town we have to go do repairs on a couple of times a year that was done by an HVAC company. It's the equivalent of a ductwork job I'd do. It looks OK, but there's so much wrong with it. They knew how to use the tools, but they didn't know how to fab and install a roof.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant,
I know the fellow who did this job years ago and he wasn't much of a mechanic in any trade.
He did have some slate tools , but his techniques and talents were very lacking.
He's since gone on to repoing cars for a slippery dealership , then on to our recently opened slots parlor.
The South side blew up in a heavy wind a long time ago now , and I redid that side during the Winter.
Only time I've ever seen drive cleats used for roofing though.
Guess I need that stretcher / shrinker set. Just got word today that curved front porch is a go.
Walter
Heh..you outta see my Tern roof. It has the pans edges turned up then an upside down Vee crimped over the joints. Many of the Vee's have lifted off and rattle in the wind. I've been able to recrimp some, and rivet the worst ones, but it seems every wind kicks up another. 10/12 and 3 dormers , lots of fixing.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Just thinking here: You have mentioned many times about having to renail the sheathing, I've seen in previous posts your DeWalt cordless tools, why don't you screw it down? I would think nailing would create alot of splits and screwing is so much cleaner???
Thats a good point. I'm using my Hitachi trim nailer , shooting a 8d stainless trim nail. It's a small diameter nail so it's not splitting these old boards hardly at all.
I do have several impact drivers , but felt nails would cause less problems overall , especially at the rafters where two boards join.
Walter
Where did you find stainless ring shank collated finish nails?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Walter, not busting your chops, but trim nails offer little to no resistance to wood that wants move. I know, you're doing the roofing, and it's not going to leak... but if you're having to cajole old wood that's set in it's ways... I wouldn't trust trim nails to keep it there. Trim screws might work, and the GRK type are pretty good about not splitting stuff and pulling things tight. Even GRK type big heads that self countersink might do better... I dunno, I'm just a dumb carpenter<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Snort,
See post above too. These are 8d nails with a slightly smaller head than a common.
They are tightening up this roof deck in fine order.
These aren't green boards - they're 98 years old . the 8d commons have loosened in the boards , making the boards looser than I like. These have seen all the movement they are going to see at this point in time.
If it weren;t doing the job I intended I wouldn't still be doing it.
Walter
No more ink needed on the fastner question, your last sentence here says it all.
Thank you sir !
Walter,
I got the MAX coil siding gun a few yrs ago, and at the time I had a cedar roof going on. I bought a box of SS siding nails at 2.5" and they were NFG ( Max nails) the heads rusted over night.
I wound up getting Bostitch and Hitachi dipped galv. in wire collated, I can't stand the plastic strips on a roof.
Just saying as a heads up.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
"If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt
I've had some in an open box where they saw some moisture over a year or so and no sign of rust.
I got a pre-rusted box of SS deck screws from my lumber yard... I'm just glad they were pre-rusted, finding out later woulda been a beech.http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Snort,
Fill me in here -- I thought stainless wasn't supposed to rust !!!
some stainless isn't up to speca good explanation of the different grades and uses is in the McFeeley catalogue... or the Jamestown Distributor's catalogue... and those are just about the different grades that meet spec
there are also many grey market SS that are not SS at all the usual ( but not failproof ) test is a magnet... if there is enogh iron in the mix to be attracted to a magnet, then it will probably rustespecially in a coastal enviornmentMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks Mike,
I'll check those sources out. Are they just in print form or online too ?
I'll check myself in a bit I just logged on.
Glad you're still looking in.
More rain predicted for this week too , another "Spring" in Maine.
I hope that doesn;t attract Bobbys - he's lurking and messing with a bunch of threads !!!
Edited 4/5/2009 6:37 am ET by theslateman
Walter,This question spawned a good Q&A session with DW the chemist here last night.If the levels of chromium and nickel are too low, you lose the ability to inhibit rust in SS. 300 series has both Cr and Ni and is NOT magnetic. 400 series is just Ci and IS magnetic. 400 series will see rust.Here's a site that has some good info. Numbers 1 - 6 have the info you probably want.
http://www.ssina.com/faq/index.html#1Couldn't find a chart at McFeelys. If I see one I'll pass it along.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Thanks very much -as per usual - I looked at McFeeleys site after I posted to Mike , but couldn't find a chart there either .
I'll look at the link you posted in a bit .
I haven't had a chance to go back and master Gimp yet , but this week I will and try a combo attempt with some text on the pic , and a more involved explanation when required.
Thanks for that tutorial too - I didn't want you to think you'd wasted your time doing that .
Best , Walter
Walter,Here are a couple of items at McFeelyshttp://www.mcfeelys.com/tech/ssteel.htm (pretty much the same info from the link I posted before)A list of their SS screws
http://www.mcfeelys.com/tech/screw-index.htm#stainlessNo worries on Gimp. Figured you'd try it out when you had time. It was good for me to learn a new program, too. Don't be shy about asking questions if you run into any. But I will reiterate that it's VERY easy to get the hang of quickly.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Now I wouldn't dare ask for help if it's that EASy ! I'd look STOOPID !
Thats not true - I semi followed it as I scanned thru it. With all the screen shots you took I know I'll be able to handle it.
Walter
Walter,I did a whole house upgrading recently and some 1x8 roof decking was replaced with PT.
I found this source for 304 SS and 316 SS(coastal) nails. Hope this helps.http://www.stainless-fasteners.com/Discriproof.htm Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
Thank you. I've got enough to finish this job , but I'll look more closely when I replenish for stock and future jobs.
Were you able to sway any votes with the Italianate pictures ?
Best , Walter
Walter,
Georgia Brown e-mailed the pics to the Chair. I will keep you posted. Thanx.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
<If it weren;t doing the job I intended I wouldn't still be doing it.>I didn't think you would. Your trim nail reference threw me... and, yesterday afternoon I went to look at house with horizontal mahogany 5" t&g siding. It was buckling in, what looked like, strange places... until I saw it was fastened with trim nails. But, they are SS!Sorry for the projection.http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
I remember working on deck in your neck of the woods (kinda sorta, Greenville SC). The siding guys were installing fiber cement with 18 ga. brads on new construction. I just shook my head.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Those Gamecocks will try anything... they probably used 15g for framing<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Of course, only hacks use 16 ga. nails for framing.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Robert,
Here are some of todays work which you saw some of in person.
The builders missed nailing off this board on the two end rafters. Must have come right at lunch time !
The two Hitachi guns we're using - the one shooting the stainless 8's and the button gun putting down the green button caps with nails , not staples.
20 oz. drip edge in place and ready for panels after lunch.
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A few more of our panel install this afternoon.
I cut the locks off the panels at the slate exposure line -- so that my lath that acts as the cant for the starter course is under the panels -- and I get a nice flatter area for starters to lay.
We rivet and solder the overlapping sheets at the top.
The yellow tools are my single lock and double lock closers - German tools by System Rau. They're carried by Stortz and N A Boecker among others I'm sure.
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I had a question for you the other day and forgot to ask it and today's pix answered it. I meant to ask where the lath was on the starter course and I see it now. I also see why you cut and solder your seams rather than beating them over and burying them under the slate. To let it conform to the lath.
We don't use the standing seam at the eave snow protection here, but I have run some standing seam dormer roofs up under slate. When I've done that, I beat the seams over and then solder (or rivet sometimes) a copper strip with a "v" bent into it to replace the lath.
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Thanks Grant,
You've seen me do it this way and hammer them over and use a copper strip over the panels too.
I prefer this method , although I've never seen anyone else utilize it.
Threat of rain all week here , so we'll dry in as we go.
Once all the panels are placed and soldered I'll use my wooden slate brackets on the panels , then strip all the slate and prep the roof for reslating.
Thanks for looking in.
Walter
I prefer this method , although I've never seen anyone else utilize it.
It probably looks better than my method, but you and I are the only ones (and other superior beings) that would notice the difference. I try to avoid soldering if I can fold my way out of it. http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant,
I had a post all typed up and hit post then it disappeared.
Duane mentioned in one of my threads that you guys were able to make one tool do double duty , but I've never tried it.
I don't do these every week like your crew , so I'm content to haul both around.
Ever tried the Stubai brand of metalworking tools ?
I think in the next week I'll be ordering a shrinker / stretcher and a Wuko. I think Stortz has one for $585.
I'll keep you posted on how it performs.
Walter
I think in the next week I'll be ordering a shrinker / stretcher and a Wuko.
Don't get a combo shrinker/stretcher. Get both machines. I often over stretch and have to shrink it back a little. It would take forever if I had to switch the jaws out.
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Thanks again for that tip. I had considered the combo unit but also thought that might be a pain to switch back and forth.
Got any work for Malo ?
Could you elaborate on single and double locks when you have a chance?
I don't have or have yet learned a good way to illustrate here.
I'll take some pictures today and post tonite , but Seeyou might look in and he's mastered a sketch up program and might have that drawing on hand.
Beautific as usual.I really love the look of new shiny CU.Keep up the great work and keeping us posted.Stay safe up there young fella.Thomas
Tommy,
Thanks for the encouragement , and continuing to follow along .
Walter
Here's what a double lock panel looks like before the seam is closed:
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Here's what the seam looks like when it's finished:
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Grant, Great schematics , thanks I had a hunch you might step up here today.
And here are pictures of the same thing that Grant drew up.
First one shows the panels in place prior to locking them together.
The second shows the first lock being closed.
The third shows closing up the doubled lock.
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A few more for tonite.
Tools needed down low for locked the panels to the drip edge.
Cutting up the old aprons to make " tabs " for my slate brackets.
Brackets made up and ready for use.
End of the day shot.
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Yeah Buddy!! Arf arf!
You can turn the second "gunchers" or lock seamers around and use them for the first roll...try it, they will work. Just a little to get used to, but saves having another tool in the way.
I wish I was up there with ya, nice set up ya have going on.
Arf!
Malo,
Will your owner be able to return any time soon ??
You've told me that trick before and Grant mentioned it in the thread previously.
I like using each for their intended purpose - I get in a rhythem of working in one direction and just hang the tools on the tops of the prior finished seams or my awls driven in as holders.
If the weather could be favorable this work would be most enjoyable.
Walter
Aha. I think I get it now.
What are the allowances on those bends?
Why do a double lock compared to a single standing seam? Looks like the double lock would be a PITA on anything curved.
Do you just flip the crimping tool to perform the closing and then folding operations?
I don't get to do much architectural metalwork.
I make the triple bend side a 1/16" over the size of the other dimensions , so it will fit tight but not bind while trying to set them.
I use two different tools made for each operation. Grant and Malo make one tool do double duty and close both with it - holding it differently .
The doubled lock is more traditional and more watertight.
Just sticking my ignorant nose in here... A while back I'd seen some home show where they had a power tool that would do the standing seam seams. It just rolled right up the seam without anyone guiding it. I thought it looked pretty cool.
jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
A while back I'd seen some home show where they had a power tool that would do the standing seam seams. It just rolled right up the seam without anyone guiding it.
Those are typically used with long pan roofing and more often with steel roofs than copper, although they do sometimes get used on copper.
We don't do any long pan roofing and the only steel roof we do is terne which forms pretty easily as well. In fact, if you've followed the discussion Walter, Sphere and I were having about the blue and yellow tools, we've figured out a way to only use one of them for both functions. On a copper roof, we'd have about 5 seams finished while the power tool guys were getting 300' of extension cord spread.
Most historic districts won't let you long pan the roof and usually those machines turn 2" seams and often 1" max is allowed on historic buildings. I use 1" seams, as does Walter I believe.
I found a company that makes a 1" machine, but most of their products close taller seams.
http://www.esemachines.com/products_sl25.htm
I have a set of their hand seamers and I don't like them. They typically only get used if were doing 3 roofs at a time.
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Have you or Walter seen a seemer that requires you to step on and use 2 hands to finish the seam?
I have one or did, left it at my dads and he might have sold it.
seen a seemer that requires you to step on and use 2 hands to finish the seam?
Yeah - we call them "kickers". When you use them, you only make two bends on your pans with one side being taller than the other by 1/4". You squeeze the handles and that bends the extra 1/4" horizontally over the shorter leg.You then tap that bend down to less than 90d with a hammer. Then you use the foot pedal side of the tool to squeeze the lock closed. You repeat all that with the 2nd tool which does the same thing but 1/2"closer to the roof which rolls it all again.
I've got a set of them and we use them from time to time up against a dormer or chimney when the other tools don't have enough room horizontally to operate.
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Walter,Looks great! Sort of like a mini PV panel done in CU.From Grant's remarks I assume you are using this to prevent ice dams at the edge?Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve , It doesn't really prevent the dams forming , but is less apt to have any chance of leakage.
It also enables a clamp on snow guard system so that the roof can be more easily accessed in the Winters when ice and snow may need to be physically removed. The guards will enable someone to tie off an access ladder and stand at that level on the roof to rake further up the roof.
Best, Walter
Walter,Thanks for the description.Question for you. Went past a house in Georgetown (DC) today. The slate on it has been in need of repair for some time and they've finally got a crew working on it. And as I was walking past, I did a double take.Would there be a reason that you'd face nail your counter flashing into the chimney? And I'd almost swear that there wasn't an apron in the front, more like an extra couple of pieces of counter flashing, but I could be imagining that. I can take a photo tomorrow.Maybe I'm just spoiled at seeing the work you and Grant do.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
I sometimes add a nail to keep lead counterflashing from being swept loose by heavy winds.
My counters go to just the slate line and the base flashings are independent of the counters should there be any structural movement to the frame.
Love to see some pictures here if you have time to do so.
Walter
Walter,
Thanks for sharing this. I will continue to follow along.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Thank you Chuck ,
I knew you'd be watching !
Walter
Thanks Walter.I'll shoot some tomorrow. It's right on my running route. Actually it's a street full of beautiful homes, so I'll look around for some other slate ones to give you the local flavor.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
I should send some door hangers down and give you a per centage of the gross !!!
Not really , but it's fun to think about doing more outside the area.
Got a call from an archy in Bolton , Mass. yesterday regarding a copper job on my favorite Vacation spot ---Vinalhaven !
Thanks for taking the time to horse around with a camera while on a running mission .
Best regards , Walter
Morning Walter,Between Georgetown and where I am in Alexandria, there are plenty of 17 and 18th Cent. homes with slate. I keep meaning to do a thread like Stephen Hazlett did with 'A Tour Through My Neighborhood' photo set. Be happy to pass out some hangers for you.Congrats on the Vinalhaven prospect!Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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steve,
I brought my laptop and air card so I could do a few e mails today.
I was only joking about trying to solicit work down your way.
Maybe put up a few pictures from the site later.
I'd love to see an architectural tour of your area.
Walter
Walter,Well I know this is going to sound like the dog ate my homework story, but I'm not running in Georgetown today because of Somali pirates.My friend that I run with works for the shipping company that lost their container ship to the pirates this morning and he's a little busy trying to get their cargo back. Who knew that international incidents could affect my run?Hopefully tomorrow I'll be back over there and snap some photos. And I'll certainly do a thread on the historic homes.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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My friend that I run with works for the shipping company that lost their container ship to the pirates this morning and he's a little busy trying to get their cargo back. Who knew that international incidents could affect my run?
your run should be ok, the crew took the ship back.jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
Alas, that ship has sailed. No run with him until tomorrow. But good news indeed about the crew.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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They must have had Chuck Norris on board. ;)
jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
I went doun my street today, and guess what I saw? A roundhouse that was having the bottom slate removed and snow pans being instaalled. I think they are alun..
I will try to get some pictures. it is snowing and I like to stay in in the snow. Hate to get old!>G<
Frammer,
I'd love to see how guys in your area perform their work.
Thanks for thinking that up , when the weather improves maybe you can get some shots.
Walter
Another batch from today. Replacing one bad rotted board where a few slates had been bad for some time.
Used some floor boards I salvaged from the King Library job here , which pre date this house by more than 50 years. Nice spruce we turned upside down.
Last one shows the wooden slate brackets with the tabs from the recycled apron stock.
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Rich,
Some pictures here that show what I tried to explain last nite.
First picture shows the drip edge and the panel ends locked onto it.
The middle two show how I've used the Grace Ultra to bond 1/2" above the exposure line on the panel , before I attach my brackets , so that later there is no void beneath the bracket.
Last one gives an overview of the North side of this home.
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Walter
Fun pics.
Does that copper at the drip edge bend 90 degrees or is it 2 -90 degree bends?
I noticed big wide valley copper up above. Are going to do that again?
What is the flashing like on the dormer sides?
Does that have to be redone?
How about some pics of the eagles. And pics of the mighty Penobscot river.
I have driven along the river here a couple times a week and I don't see any of our eagles any more.
I think our winter birds moved north for better hunting.
Rich
Rich ,
I'll take a picture in the morning of the DE I make.
Wide copper valleys were installed 10 to 12 years ago and they will stay.
Dormer flashings will remain , unless they are questionable - which I doubt because of the wide overhangs.
Have had my head down and working low on the roof so I haven't seen any eagles yet.
We'll be starting to strip slate tomorrow from the ridge down so I'll take some river shots at least.
Heres a picture of the best looking structure in our fair city.
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Hey Walter -
Looking at the picture where you replaced the board, it looks like there's another layer of sheathing below with the top layer firred. Is this a cold roof? And on the bottoms of your standing seams, I can't tell how you finish them off. Do you just clip them or fold the excess around and under the roll?http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant,
There are beaded boards as " ceiling " over the fancy rafter tails. That's about the height of where they end .
I'll fold those ends back later in the procedings.
Whats your preferred method of finishing ?
Best , Walter
There are beaded boards as " ceiling " over the fancy rafter tails.
Aha - They do that detail a little differently here.
Whats your preferred method of finishing ?
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Grant,
Thats the way I'll do it on the next one !!
Great tip - thank you.
Walter
Walter-
Always a fan of your threads. I was wondering if you've seen the This Old House episode where Tom Silva did the copper standing seam with beads of silicone between panels. If so, what are your thoughts on his technique?
Walter..... when you strip your staging how do you take these brackets off.... do you just cut the tab & abandon in place ?
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Mike,
Yes thats exactly right . As we strip the roof down and prep it then add the Grace Ultra right over this patch piece and bracket tab. The starters will be laid to the line , then the field slates. Once all the slates are laid and we're tearing back down we'll take the planks off , score the copper at the exposure line a couple of times with a straight blade - then fold the bracket back and forth to break the tab.
I took some pictures today while stripping the slate showing the old zinc tabs that have been there since 1911.
Check back later and I'll have some shots of todays progress.
Thanks for still checking in on us !
Best , Walter
Mike ,
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A few from todays work. Putting in and padding the panels with EPDM beneath our wooden slate brackets. We set them so the planks will join on the one bracket so that there is one level acros the bottom - no 1 1/2 " heart attack.
Once those are in we've got a base of operations to work from. We rip out a few slates and felt the opening to keep everything dried in at each level as we go up the roof. Here we use regular roof brackets since it's only the removal process.
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Calvin,
Still no eagle sightings , but heres a couple pics from the ridge looking out onto the Penobby
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Some more pics from stripping the slate today.
First pic shows the 20 oz. copper valleys I installed a dozen years ago. Unlike most I cut my valley sides from the front , leaving a smoother surface for the water to flow off. The bright streaks are where the small tips are located. Erosion corrosion is the term for the wear there.
Next two show a 5" cast vent stack with the hub right at roof level , originally flashed with lead sheet formed into the hub.
I'll form a tapered cylinder from 7" to 5" over 32" of height and make a custom stack flashing.
Last one shows are progress this afternoon stripping and prepping on the way down the roof.
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Walter, my first thought was to tell you, you look good in pink but i see david has beat me to it. :)
Mike,
This is turning out to be a popular color -- thank you !
Walter
Thanks Walter, Nice view from the top. There is a reason besides money to be a roofer.
A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Yup,
the views are great a lot of the time .
I'm watching for the eagles too !
Be ready.
I hear the eagle flys on friday.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Friday pictures of stripping and prepping the slate roof for relaying.
The first couple show a leak that was wetting the old worn out felt , but had only started to stain the boards a bit. The sheathing was really good on this side once renailed.
The last two show our Grace procedure for working back down the roof. For the sheet we have to go under we slit the paper backer about 5" up from the bottom and don't remove that paper untill we've completed sticking down the under sheet. Not to hard at 50 degrees , 80 would be a whole other ball of wax.
We're using my button nailer to make doubly sure we don't get any wind uplift till it's slated.
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Not quite Grant. We're felting with 30 lb from the ridge to the valley terminus - but Gracing a strip in my v bend valleys.
Look back a ways and you can see the process there too.
This roof has bad Winter ice backup issues , so with this reroofing and more insulation we should put these problems behind us.
Walter
but Gracing a strip in my v bend valleys.
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Me thinks you're in DREAM land now.
He's left you alone today I see !
Real roofers use aluminium and caulk.
When can Sphere come in from the dog house ???
Or does he even want to ?
Sphere don't know, no one will respond to any questions.
Of course he wants to, he wants to keep up with the Piffin post count and the SeeYou whatever he does count..LOL
Last batch for tonite.
First two show more of the drying in process. Since I haven't soldered my tops of the panels yet we didn't use the Ultra Grace yet. Next week we'll do that then on to slating - working the slate down as required.
Next one is me working in my mobile office finalizing a big copper job on my favorite Island -The lobster capital of Maine --- Vinalhaven.
Last one -- am I the only one who saves 98 year old nails to be reused down the road somewhere ??
Happy Easter !!
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Walter, thanks for taking the time and expending the effort to post the thread - reminds me of the experiences I used to have reading the magazine - and I'm happy to see that you are secure in your sexuality - pink shirt indeed!"there's enough for everyone"
I got a nice compliment today from the owners daughter saying she liked the shirt .
I think pink is my color to offset the white hair.
Thanks for taking the time David to wade thru and thanks much for the kind words. That makes the time spent posting very rewarding !
Walter
Walter
I'm still enjoying the pictures of the kind of work I don't see very often.
Still lurking, watching and waiting for our bald friends to show up.
Still waiting for a picture of the river too. LOL
Enjoy your weekend.
Rich
Rich,
A few river pictures yesterday - posted to Calvin.
Go back a ways and start forward again -- 20 posts or so. Can't remember the post no. though.
Walter, pink makes the white.
So says the babes at my daughters wedding whilst yours truly sported a pink tie.
Yup, collected alot of "complements" on that fashion decision.
Some guys got it.
others wish they had.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
for the record, I have not one, but two pink shirts - and I wear them - - "there's enough for everyone"
Works don't it David?
Are we metro?
or what.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
definitely 'what' - "there's enough for everyone"
It would appear that you , David , and I are in the IT column - I guess thats a good thing !!
This started out as a work thread , and now it seems it's taken a turn towards GQ !!!
Walter
Walter
Sometning is wrong with this thread on my computer.
I will see the thread as an active thread but it never says (7 new of 317).
It just gives the total number of posts.
It's been that way with this thread only for quite a while.
And when I open the thread it's always the last post, whereas with other threads it opens to server opens the thread at the posts I haven't seen before.
Oh well, time to look at the river shots.
Rich
Thats a shame Rich,
A quirk somewhere. The Farm blog of Boss's always starts at post 1 for me --- and it's up to 2500 !!
Walter
Thats a shame Rich, No just annoying
A quirk somewhere. The Farm blog of Boss's always starts at post 1 for me --- I have a couple that do that for me too.
Last night this thread showed 3 new posts, this morning just 346, even though there are 19 new posts.
Thanks for the river shots, it looks pretty turbulent. It must be running high right now. Most of our rivers are high from snow melt. Almost all snow is gone now and has been for several weeks.
Last weekend we were dead in the sights of snow storm of 12-15". We got 1" and ice in the trees.
Rich
Rich,
I'll take some next week from right down by the River. Northern Me. had mountains of snow this past Winter so this river will have good flow for some time yet. We haven't even had our Spring rains yet.
Next week will be sunny and mid 50's all week. Thats the reason we live here , for a few weeks like that each year !!
Walter
Walter
Thats the reason we live here , for a few weeks like that each year
That's the theory here too.
The reality is we go from late winter to full blown summer in about a week.
Rich
While we are commenting on your personal appearance, let me say, that beard is really fricken cool!!!
The work pics are stellar as usual also......Naive but refreshing !
Woody,
The last time I was clean shaven was in Oct. of '72 outside of Rotterdam on the Eisel River in Holland. Started it back the next day - some faces should never be bare !
Thanks for the work kudos.
Walter
Walter,Nice shirt! Count me among the fans of pink.Work looks pretty terrific as well.Took some photos of the flashing I was asking about. I'll try to post them tomorrow.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Been looking forward to seeing those pics all week. Some I didn't have to post !!
We're getting some decent days now and the work is flowing nicely , just like the River out front .
Thanks for the kind words .
Best , Walter
Walter,
Well, I'm not sure if they were worth that wait. I only had my iphone. I'll try to take my camera next week and get some better detailed shots if there's something you are interested in. There's no zoom or focus on this, so I had to stand as close as I could.
The flashing... There is a copper apron, but there's also a piece of the counter flashing from the left side that's been bashed around the corner. The nailing isn't visible here, but all I can say from my vantage point on the sidewalk is that they are not copper nails, and that the apron and the counter flashing are nailed into the brick about an inch down from the top of the apron and flashing.
Best,
Steve
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Steve,
Yes it's a little hard to see accurately what the detailing is. Maybe it's better to not get too good a look.
Running and carrying a camera doesn't sound like a good workout .
That gives me a bit of the flavor of the workmanship though.
Your idea of the Tour like Stephen did warrants it's own thread for sure. Some wonderful homes and architecture there I'm sure.
Thanks for sharing.
Best regards , Walter
Walter,I know. My apologies. I took some in full sun on Thur and in the clouds yesterday. Finally found my camera last night.I think you are correct that you don't really want to see the up-close and dirty version. Am I correct that my description of the application so far doesn't sound particularly kosher? That one wouldn't leave exposed nailheads and invite the weather inside?Have a hard enough time keeping up on the run as it is. (the guy I run with just got back from a week-long race through the Sahara) I leave the camera in the truck :) I park on this street almost every day.I'll gather some photos to start a thread and stop cluttering up yours!Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
I wasn't suggesting not posting those here - far from it - I love seeing them and keeping this thread active while we're working here.
My point was when you do the full blown tour you might get more people viewing if it wasn't buried here - some may have already left with all this pink confessing going on <G>.
That job is likely being done by a large roofing outfit with workers of varying talent levels. Maybe it's not perfect , but will probably keep the water out .
Now, for a couple of shots of the neighborhood.
Next door to the house in question
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Steve,
If I'm ever slow I can see theres a lot of work that could be gotten there.
I've had visions of taking a tour sometime in my crew cab full of gear and working for awhile as I worked my way across the East Coast or whereever. Could be a lot of fun to work on some magnificent structures.
Sometimes the trees obscure the views of the forest however !
Walter
Next door to that one is a really neat modernist house. I've seen the little Japanese lady that owns it occasionally and one day I'm going to have to tell her how terrific her house is.
Part of what I find interesting here is that the house is not at all like the rest of the neighborhood. It has an entrance courtyard and then what I presume is the public area of the house in the front. Beyond that (as you can sort of see in the second photo) there's what appears to be a giant solarium or maybe greenhouse on the right (there's an open garden space on the left side that's not visible here), and then (again assuming) the private spaces in the next segment of the house.
You can see from the front view that Mike Smith designed the chimney set up here. They are both set at a 45 deg angle to the street.
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Sweet talk her, that garden might be quite a sight.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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I think you are right, but I might have to bring out my pink shirt to get in her good graces.If it's gardens you like, the place across the street in the next shot is where you want to be. http://www.doaks.org/gardens/index.html'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thanks, when we get that way I'm stopping in.
Nice history about the place.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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If I take the camera next week, I'll stop by the gardens after the run and snap a few for you.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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I think you and Cal should both show up in pink and ask to see the gardens .
Walter,
That idea sounds a bit ............
how you say?
odd?
My wife and I don't even think about wearing those same jackets you sometimes see at Nascar events.
Besides, he' don't have any white hair.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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I bet he'd still look good in a nice Brooks Brothers shirt in pink !
Just thought you'd like to see the gardens too. No harm intended !
Walter
No offense taken Walter.
I know you're up there in the remote north, but think about it. Two guys (one young) in pink? Cripes, don't even mention about the garden tour..........
Now, if you want to get back to the business at hand. Please show in detail any flashings you do to take care of problem areas. By problem areas I mean those we hear about. The chimney's for instance would be one. You know what I mean, things you do second nature but areas of concern for long time water diversion.
Any dormers on that place? There's one few regular (shingle slammers) roofers get right.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Calvin,
Thanks , you know I was only kidding around . Some peoples perception of a man wearing pink is ------. I guess thats one reason I like wearing it - it helps dispel the notion.
I regularly post photo threads of tough situations and will continue to do so till Lowes pulls the plug here !!
I'll be flashing the chimney on this home once this front is completed. The old three holer was a blurb on that one.
Both Grant and I routinely bend and solder tricky spots. Goo , caulk , gunk , etc. aren't part of our program. I wished he'd post more pictures 'cause he's light years ahead of me in fabrication and I could learn a lot from seeing more of his work too.
As the Spring wears on you'll see plenty more from me on the board. Trying to get the checking acct. up enough so I can get a couple guys to help me do more on my hacienda.
Best , Walter
Calvin
Any dormers on that place? There's one few regular (shingle slammers) roofers get right.
I was reading in JLC Field guide that you show just use lots and lots of black jack. The more you use the better the seal. Isn't that right?
The Walter can have a job a few years from now.
Rich
Rich,
Once you perfect soldering metal you'll never have to wear tar encrusted jeans home again !
Get the hell outta here.
In the Field Guide?
Now you got me scrambling on the bookshelf.
Page number please?A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Then that would be Journal of Lousy Construction !!
Yup, don't find that detail in the other JLC Field Guide.
I don't do any roofing. However, tackle the areas of concern when I'm hired to "fix that wood up there".
Please jeezus, have them call me b/4 they get out the roof goop.
Wood chimney chases where the roof ends b/4 the outside corner of the chase, bottom/top sidewalls on dormers, single story roof that dies into sidewall, wherever rot often occurs. Very few details easily found on proper flashing technique. That's why I ask about it here as what better way than words and pictures to give a good description.
The killer is that very often, new roof/reroof, they are wrong from the start. And I'm not talking complicated roof lines/valley's either.
Imagine the countless problems buried behind vinyl siding.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Calvin,
I've seen a lot of funky design problems that would be challenging for a skilled mechanic . Couple that with at times inexperienced personnel and you've got a recipe for call backs.
I went with a friend to look at a porch project last week and saw this potential problem.
Looks like the metal is still sound , but to redo that now is a task a lot of folks shouldn't be allowed to tackle.
Walter
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Grant,
Galv. metal gutter liners around the whole house . Added onto to half cricket and pan on other side of chimney to dormer cheek.
Probably done before the dormer roof was put on.
Not a job for me = just took the picture while there looking at an EPDM roof for a porch - where I was standing to take the picture.
Another quirky place where the men and boys have seperation .
Walter
Yup, think like a drop of water.............
I'd be thinking shooting the guy that came up with that stimulating design feature.
I thought initially that was a 5 gal pail of roof goop, but grant points out that it's metal. Even at that, boy.there's some fitting and sealing. Certainly not for the novice.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Calvin
It's on page 389.
2nd paragraph.
It works for all siding types and all roof types.
Rich
come on man,there's 380 in one book, 321 in the other (with type).
Trying to bull #### the bull #### ter?A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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This is the old money neighborhood. Two guys in pink shirts just means they're not the Mormon patrol.But about 10 blocks to the East, where I used to live? Well, um, it'd be a different story, ahem... How 'bout those Bears?! Fine neighbors and lovely gardens though as you'd suspect.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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LOL I can see that as the start of a movie 'Mind if we play through?'Half Marx bros / half Bing Crosby era. Pink shirts and plus fours.Calvin will have hit a lovely tee shot, straight and true. Mine finds the Japanese lady's garden.I think you could slate for 8 days a week here. The little houses in the neighborhood are running in the 5 mil range. And I'd say 65% of the homes have slate. Be happy to pass out your info if you are looking for a southern vacation!'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
If next Winter is as harsh as this one we've just put to bed I may indeed ask you to toss out my name.
By then perhaps I'll wake up and realize I should ask if you'd be willing to set up Bangorslate.com -- my barter arrangement doesn't appear to be coming to fruition.
I'll e mail you in the next few weeks to see if you'd consider taking me on as a client.
Best regards , Walter
Walter,On all fronts I'd be truly delighted to assist.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thank you very much Steve. I'll be honored to think you'd accept.
I'll be in a position to send you a retainer in a few weeks.
I'll send out an e mail at that point.
Best regards , Walter
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Last ones. This building is across the street. I believe that it is part of Dumbarton Oaks
I want to say that this was not part of the original grounds and mansion set up, and maybe it was a Catholic girl's high school/finishing school until the early 70s.
In any case it's famous for the gardens and there's a lovely park that backs up to it that I run through several times a week.
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Steve,
Across from Dumbarton Oaks is a red brick Victorian on the corner of 31st and R Street. We worked on that house inside and out in 1978-79. All new soffit, fascia and frieze. Staged the whole house. The slate roof was redone at that time.
We built this porch on the back. Clear heart vg redwood and D&btr Douglas fir.
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From the inside of the oval.
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We did the brackets and trim on the front porch.
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I do not have any pics of the house. If you could post one I bet Walter will like it. I am interested to know if that porch is still there after 30 years.
Walter I have a couple of pink shirts as well.
Thanks for this thread and sorry for the thread jack. I am learning a lot. Steve needs to start a DC/Old Town Alexandria thread. Steve will do a good job with your site.
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Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
Thats not a hijack - thats a wonderful addition to this discussion and thank you for taking time to include it.
Fabulous woodwork !!! If it's not still there then it's in no way related to the expert craftsmanship you fellows did. That looks like a 100 year job easily.
I hope Steve will photograph it.
Best , Walter
Walter,I am glad it was OK to post.Near the beginning of this thread you were experimenting with text in the pictures. I am glad you are doing it the old way. Easier for me anyway. One thing I try to do when posting imbedded pics is as I type the text and I know where I want a pic I click the return key 3 times, resume text.... When I revise and paste there is a nice 'slot' of 3 blank lines to insert the pics.Glad you got the Vinalhaven job.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
No need to ask about posting at any time IMHO . It's like the river , you don't know whats around the next turn sometimes.
It would get stale if it was just my ramblings ,so I'm happy that you and Steve and whoever else feels like adding more pictures takes the time to add in here.
I get a bunch of stuff out there ,which is fine 'cause it feels like my second home out there !
Walter
Grant ,
Heres a shot of the flat roof I asked your opinion about a tapered system to put on it.
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I don't see any roof. You talking about that pond?
Yeah, stock tapered board would work fine on that. A little cutting on the hips. http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
The wind blew sustained 25 +, gusts to 40 yesterday so we worked down low instead of at the peak again.
Stripped and prepped up to just beneath the dormers . Most of the sheathing boards are in super condition. In the second picture you can see one bad spot we'll fix today .
Quite a few of these slates where the snow and ice has fallen from the dormer roof onto the main roof have cracked lengthwise. My friend is saving those for making hip caps on his sauna building , using similar slates I salvaged elsewhere.
Last picture shows a bucket with tabs for my brackets that we cut from the original aprons on this roof. A much better use than simply junking it out for 70 cents a lb.
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Last picture shows a bucket with tabs for my brackets that we cut from the original aprons on this roof. A much better use than simply junking it out for 70 cents a lb.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You are getting robbed if that is what they are paying!
Light copper here as scrap is roughly 75 cents -- # 1 clean might bring $1.25 .
Light copper here as scrap is roughly 75 cents -- # 1 clean might bring $1.25 .
Wholesale is just now back up to $2.35. #1 clean usually brings a little less than half wholesale. http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant , so junk is similar in both locations.
Saaaay, looks like they're creating a 'green' roof! Got plants growing and a goldfish pond! Probably very environmentally friendly as long as the EPDM holds up.
jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
John,
That roof needs a tapered insulation and membrane roof.
It's a hot mopped coal tar pitch roof now.
Chuck,I will add that request to the garden photos for Calvin and post something probably by Tuesday.Nice looking house. I remember those photos.That stretch of R St. might be my favorite spot in DC. One day when I hit the lottery :)Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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am I the only one who saves 98 year old nails to be reused down the road somewhere
No, you're not...although i don't think I've ever reused them.
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"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
Your nails are bigger than my nails !!!
John,
That top nail is similar to a flooring nail. The shank was flared and got wider so as not to be able to back out of the tongue.
Chuck S
live, work, build, ...better with wood
Some pictures from todays activities.
Most of this hemlock deck are in loose , but fine condition so after we renail all the boards we're good to go with prepping.
We ran into one that was badly split and rotted near the valley - so we cut it back and added a " new " piece. Spruce floor boards from an 1860's Mansard that are in mint shape.
So we're recycling which is green , and so is the board !!
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A few more for you guys to put you to sleep.
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Appears to be some sun there Walter.
Ship a bit down here will you. Mudhens opener and golf league on Thursday.
3manleague, we don't care.
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We're in for sun the rest of the week with highs in the mid 50's .
Wind blew and the sh** flew yesterday gusts to 41 mph.
Hope you fare well chasing that little white orb.
It does make those sky high approaches a bit testy.........
Gives you the "wind" excuse if you wanna use it I guess.
Heebie Jeebie's when you address the ball on the green and it's moving.
It's only a game Walter.
Enjoy the rest of the week!A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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you charge more for going green, right?
Mike,
No extra charge , just the satisfaction of knowing that a bunch of beautiful floor boards that were headed for the dumpster were able to still see some service.
Workers a few years back on Stephen King's Library were starting to pull up and pitch these boards. I asked them to set them off to the side and I'd gladly load and haul them . To my dismay I've almost used them up. I hate the thought of buying new sheathing boards with knots the size of pie plates in them.
I'll find another place being torn down or renovated and get more vintage boards soon I hope.
Walter
Walter,
Once again, splendid work.
You are what Fine Homebuilding and 'Fine Home Rebuilding' is all about. I hope the home owner realizes he has a timeless craftsman attending to his structure. I have seen his comments and I am sure he does.
Is Hemlock native to NE? I have seen a bunch of Hem-Fir dimensional lumber(usually West Coast Grn) but not so much 4/4 other than mercantile rough sawn.
Chuck S
live, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck ,
As always you're way to kind !
Yes we have lots of hemlock in Maine that was used for both framing and sheathing lumber. In those days it was great material - not quite as good as spruce , but thousands of homes were built using it. Now a days it's more prone to " shake " or splitting along the length of the grain. More quickly grown leads to less quality I believe.
Thanks again , hoping Steve finds time to document some more homes .
Best , Walter
I'm finally caught up and had my two burning questions already answered abt using Grace under the copper and where the tails on the seams go.Gracias for the gratuitous loveliness in the shot of the fancy cuts on the rafter tails. (or are they corbels?)
I don't think they're Gothic !!!
I won't believe it until all the votes are counted.
They have been !!
Who wants to either guess or identify what this other species of board is that turned up while stripping and prepping ?
First one to peg it should get something - maybe Rez has a spare award out in one of his sheds.
Post no. will be the factor determining the winner !
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Tamarak.orCypress
We have a weiner , I mean winner .
And it's not cypress . I had a feeling you might be the first to see and peg it .
Nice work. Now ring up Rez and see if he can find a suitable award !
Went up in both the bell and clock towers of a local UU church.
I'll post later on some big bells and timepiece in a seperate thread.
The cypress was a last minute tossin to throw off the others if I was wrong on the Tamarak..LOLNo award needed, I'd just chew it up or pee on it.
Since Malo spoiled my contest I'll post a few more of the days travails.
First one shows one of my copper straps from a valley install of 10 or 12 years ago.
Next shows the felts condition after 98 years of duty , and another way to set slates while removing them.
3rd one shows a bibbed or center nailed slate with a zinc bib that has worn thru . And lastly Grace after 10 or 12 years under slate since the valleys were redone.
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And lastly Grace after 10 or 12 years under slate since the valleys were redone.
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Same here -- slate only touches it at the head so a lot of air beneath it.
Calvin and Rich ,
My buddy spotted an eagle today , but too far off to get a decent picture.
We're looking though !
Be ready with the big lens Walter.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Calvin .
In this dusty , dirty enviroment the Sony DSC 85 is the one I use ' cause I can get another on E Bay for less than a sawbuck if need be.
The Nikon sits at home so as not to get crapped up. So I'll have to be content without long range capability.
How are you hitting them ?
Walter, understandable on the Nikon-I think buried here I have one shot of a flyover hurriedly taken during a kitchen job with the point and shoot.
Last nite, probably not soon repeated, was a good outing. 4 over. A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Being Maine, shouldn't we call it Hackmatack?
Nice work up there Walter!
Mike,
You know those flat landers -don't know whether to bark at the moon or have some 'shine <G>
If he'd said hackmatack , tamarack or larch I'd have given it to him..
Thanks I'll give you a shout next time I'm down your way.
Walter
I still owe you lunch--
Thats why I'll be calling !!!!
Speaking of lunch, when's Mr. Fink coming up so I can collect my lobstahs? LOL'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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You'll be getting some lobsters soon , but Mr. Fink has pulled a disappearing act methinks .
Send me your address by e mail please. I'm heading out for one day next week to dry in a job for later in May.
Different than the one JF was asked to cover.
Best , Walter
For those not sick of seeing this job yet heres a few more . A bit more work in the morning prepping the main roof and we're ready for some slate laying. Man I can hardly wait.
The dormers will be stripped and relaid when I have stagings in the roof for slating. Got a couple ideas how I'll get to the fronts of the dormers , but not entirely sure which will work best .
First pic. shows the technique of using a nail behind the head of a slate to keep the butt from rising in the air if the sheathing has any differences . I still use that method or broken slate char.
Next one shows what builds up under a 98 year old roof.
Third pic. Using the Vaughn bar to hold up the hip metal so a ripper can pull the nails . Metal gets painted , but it won't come off for awhile yet.
Last one shows a clip that was used to hold a heat tape.
More after I go consume mass quantities of dinner.
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Tuckered out last nite so heres a few more .
This is how the old felt is removed from the roof - it breaks up in small pieces and put into 5 gallon pails - not much help with keeping water out after all this time.
2nd and 3rd pics show where the nails used as shims have left a permanent impression on the boards.
Last one of the right side after Grace and buttons.
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Walter,With all those mis-hits on the boards there, that could have been me wielding the hammer.The button caps with the green heads... awhile back you had some with red/orange heads. Are they color coded by fastener length? Maybe you are creating a pointillist work that only comes into view at 1500 feet up? Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Are they color coded by fastener length?
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Grant,
Did you get a chance to look at that You tube video ?
Walter
Did you get a chance to look at that You tube video ?
Yeah I did. I'm not really sure what it was he was making (a 2 piece drip edge/fascia wrap?) and the video quality is so poor, I couldn't really tell how the piece looked when completed. I'd also like to see how it matched up to what he was wrapping with it. He was supposedly the master with that thing, so lets see how it looks installed. Anybody can make a curve with those tools, but I'm interested in the degree of difficulty in making a specific curve.
As I said previously: It will follow a curve cut into the metal and nothing more, radius wise. It's a bender, albiet a nice and very cool bender, but nothing more. I still don't see how it will be of any value in the valley and I don't see how that thing the guy made could be installed without nailing both pieces to their respective planes. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong about this, but if I were you, I'd try to fabricate what you have planned on the ground rather than on the roof. You're less likely to hurt someone when you get frustrated and throw it.
Cheers,
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Steve ,
The reds or orange ones are hand driven with the nail embedded in the plastic cap.
The green buttons are applied with air power with a special Hitachi gun that has collated nails in the regular cannister and a banjo off to the side holding a roll of collated buttons. A small lever advances the button to be there when the nail comes flying in.
One of the best $ 500 I've ever spent. It increases dry in production by a large per centage . Hand driving is a lot more cumbersome , but I use those in smaller areas or jobs where I don't have need of a compressor .
Walter
Steve ,
That last picture I posted this morning shows the gun laying on the plank. You can just see the banjo on the side of it.
Walter,Thank you. I remember seeing that Hitachi earlier in the thread too. Even recall thinking awhile ago that one might be fun to own. What would I do with it? Hmm, you don't need a defined use before you purchase a tool, do you? LOLThanks for the info.I sent you an email last night, too.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Yes I got the contact info.
I've got to go to Lobster City for one day next week , so I'll be getting some critters to send your way.
I thought you had Justin sold , but I guess I didn't seal the deal. Don't know how I could have sweetened the pot further !!
Best ,
Walter
The main roof is prepped for slate . No more dirt and grime for awhile.
Got to solder the tops , add the Grace Ultra and start slating.
First one shows a temp wrap of the vent stack until were up slating then I'll install a site made tapered cylinder and base flashing to dress this up.
Just started to solder after lunch and used these to start my propane fired plumbers furnace - next picture down.
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A few of the actual soldering .
First one shows the copper to be soldered that's been fluxed with a Laco paste flux.
Next shows the sweated and stitched seam and the following one the seam after the sides have been dressed.
The owner came up to see what we've been up to and took this shot of me working on a seam.
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I knew you were a comrade.
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How come you're using the individual coppers and propane rather than the acetylene rig?http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I wonder if the Actyl rig sets his beard ablaze?
I had the same thought. Check yur email.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Will do. If you went thru the BT profile, I don't get that on Gmail..checking AOL now.
Grant ,
Thanks for all the tutelage and warnings on the Wuko stuff. You'd have been dead on about throwing things if it was 25 years ago , but I'm just a mellow old codger now . Wouldn't want to hurt the arm by whipping it off the roof and that $ 550 out the window would dawn on me before I let it go.
I'd have a bench on the ground just below so I can get a pattern then come down and fabricate. You'll see the results when I do the work , however it turns out.
Now to my Rusky leanings and choice of implements.
Was only going to be on the roof soldering for an hour so I took up the propane set up - then lowered it back down. Wanted to see if I could still stich 'em after the Winter not doing any. When I go back up for a full day of it I'll prolly use the B tank gear -- but I might still like the smaller irons without the flame since I'm folding back the felt , Grace dry in materials and can get in closer.
Naw it's the beard -- don't wanna torch something I've worn for 37 years !!
Walter: We have had several "expert" opinions about the cause (and solution to) the ice and water damage in the home. I don't believe this was a problem until some thirty or forty years ago, when the previously heated third floor was closed off. It was living space but is now only used for storage. No heat at all. There is no insulation in the roof. Should the roof be insulated? If so, what is best? Bad idea to close off the third floor? (Happened during the last oil & gas shortage). Will the snow still need to be removed after your reslating and use of the water seal? Great seeing you work in person; thanks for the education.
Robert,
Great having you come up on the roof and see first hand exactly what it is we're doing on your home.
Glad you're adding to the content here as well , and I bet some insulation gurus will help with the insulation questions.
I won't make it up today - I've got an errand list like you probably had yesterday.
Walter
Robert,
Just arrived home from the Home Show and picked up a bunch of material from some of the insulation outfits to give to you on Monday.
Ask Jeff to meet with us any day but Wed. I've got to deliver some Grace Ultra to Vinalhaven on that day , but any time other than that will be fine this coming week or the next.
Walter
Robert,
I started another thread in heating and insulation linked to your post to try and stir up some action.
Guess I've put most everybody to sleep by now !
Walter
Just to show you I can be thrifty with my small solder bar ends -- heres a couple shots of fusing the small bit to the end of a full bar and ready for use.
Last one shows the hand iron turning color so you know it's hot enough to make solder flow , but not so hot it's burning up the tip.
This is geared towards others too -- I know Sphere knows these things !!
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LOL. Good job!! Grant would be happy. Dang solder is $$$$!!!!!!!!
I know you like paste flux, but what do you dunk the irons in when you need to ungunk them? I have to dip in Ruby every so often to keep the tips soldering well.
I'm still green on the heat aspect using the oven, my Sievert, I control much better as the tip starts cooling too much I can tell..and wait till it catches up again. But for most soldering I can't out run it..just fat seams or really cold days will start cooling too fast.
On that flat seam, I had two irons almost the same size, but one always worked a tad better than the other..maybe one was pitted too much. grind away the bad parts when they start acting up and re-tin.
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I use an auto body rasp to get back to bright copper then use some of the Laco paste to tin with.
Just using the hand irons here. The heat shield on my ASCO set up wasn't there -- hadn't used it since last Fall.
Interesting. My day is never complete till I dump my flux cup..LOL I've clamped it to seam, tack soldered to a flat..and no matter what, I always seem to get flux someplace I don't want it.
Start using paste like us Northern Hillbillies !!
Try some and you'll never go back to Ruby fluid again .
A few more shots of soldering up the tops of my standing seam panels so that the slates will lay flatter ,instead of having to bridge the rolled seam.
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Walter, i do believe thats a first for me. ( a fire extinguisher on the roof) but i must say a really good idea! see, all the gray hair was not in vain :) I was always taught gray hair meant wisdom.
I'm too cheap to buy Grecian Formula !!
Don't let me forget to post a photo on my thread about why your extinguisher is a fine idea.Looking fine up there. Any eagles yet?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Haven't really had a chance to look !!
While you're here let me ask a question about video cameras for recording events . Looked at a Sony at Best Buy the other day -- can't remember the model.
I've got a scheme cooking I think might be quite newsworthy - put a thread in the Tav . about it , but would like someone to record it here too , just in case it fizzles on the TV front.
Actually if you don't mind I'd like to run it past you in an e mail ?
Best ,
Walter
Walter,Ask away!This isn't one of those 'hold my beer, watch this' moments, is it ? :)Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thanks Steve ,
I'll flesh it out tonite.
Walter
More roofing shots of soldering and laying the Grace Ultra in anticipation of laying slates.
Rainy morning firing up the propane plumbers furnace and hand irons to work on the second half of the roof .
Felt and Grace lifted to solder the tops of the panels.
Last two show the Ultra being soldered real close but the heat didn't melt this like it would have regular Grace.
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A few more after soldering of putting in the Ultra over the panels and regular Grace onto it.
Then " felt stripping " with Ultra to bond the nailed edge of the regular Grace and the Ultra together.
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You sure do pretty stitches. I think with the lap and rivet method you use, you needn't be a careful of water getting in the joint before ya solder it. When I do seams that are rolled or flattend, I try to get it soldered the same day, to keep the water from steaming out the solder.
Made for some interesting afternoons, trying to get it done, if I laid too much.
Looking great!
Thanks Duane.
Two weeks of great weather previously and now some #### coming in or staying around.
Walter
That #### just left here. Mid 80's this weekend. Had a fire burning yesterday.
I just got word, more work kicking up my way, a few good weeks is what I'd love now.
Good luck filling up your schedule .
Wait till you see the stunt we're pulling off next Friday !
Walter,
Thanks for the update.
You are getting the weather pattern we had last Sunday. Hopefully no tornados for you. We had an F2 one block from our house Sunday night. About 100 houses damaged and over 200 ancient trees.
Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
I heard this system has taken two weeks to go across the Country and finally exit.
Sorry to hear about all the physical damage . I hope no lives were lost .
Best regards , Walter
Walter,
2Casualities across the river in Alabama. None in Columbus GA. Thanks for asking.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
steve,
Thanks for listening to my plan of attack the other morning !
Everything is coming together beautifully .The local NBC affiliate is all enthused as is our wonderful local Daily paper !
I'm going to talk with the local anchor here and suggest he get the National NBC involved or i'll be sending an e mail to Brian Williams myself on Monday .
i appreciate being able to sound it off you to be sure I wasn't asking for the crossed arm shirt.
Best , Walter
NBC?
Sounds pretty liberal to me...........http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant,
Wait until you see what I've got cooking for a week from tomorrow .
Nothing to do with this project just a great piece of salesmanship I think.
Guess what colored shirt I'll have on ???
Is NBC really liberal leaning ? Why knock me over with a feather boa !!
Wuko's should be here today or tomorrow and I'll be jumping in on sat.
Best , Walter
Wait until you see what I've got cooking for a week from tomorrow .
Oh cool - a surprise!
Wuko's should be here today or tomorrow and I'll be jumping in on sat.
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Grant ,
You can count on the pics if I get the stuff on time . UPS hasn't been here yet , but sometimes they don't show before 5 anyway.
Looking forward to expanding my scope of jobs I feel comfortable doing.
Walter
Walter,Sweet. Sounds like a winner. Look forward to hearing all about it.Congrats on your good salesmanship.You got my email on the video info?Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Thanks , I'll fill everyone in on it the middle of next week .
No I didn't get the video info , but I may get that Sony next week so I'll have it to record the action on Friday .
Best , Walter
Walter,Hmm, don't know what happened there.Here's the relevant info:http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/category/1820/Camcorders.htmlThey've also got some used ones here if that tickles your fancy.http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/2935/Camcorders_Cameras_Accessories_Camcorders.htmlBest,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thanks Steve ,
I can borrow one for next weeks gathering , then I can do more research to find the sweet spot for them.
Best regards , Walter
Calvin,
The eagles have finally showed up !!!
Imagine how totally cool your client is when they climb up onto the roof just before dark and surprise you with this !
I didn't even see it until they came out this morning and asked if I had company.
Walter
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Robert,
Thanks for the wonderfly crazy prank last evening.
Just wished I'd looked up and seen him before you had to point him out to me.
Some pictures of just getting going laying some slates.
Lath used to hold my chalkline end for getting bottom coures laid out .
Next shows width lines and getting started with starters and first course.
Litter pails are the best for roof storage of copper nails with their sq. shape and hingedb lid.
Cutting a bad slate to make a starter and finally a few courses being put on.
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A test of your birds nest savvy . Can you pick the bird who makes this nest ??
Picture isn't great , but let me know !
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Nope smaller bird . I'll get better pictures next week.
I use only red chalk blue doesn't cut it on 30 lb . sometimes.
I'll be snapping just tops of shingle courses now after getting the first few on.
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Not quite .
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Nope it's a tamarack warbler !!!
Yer pulling my paw, ain't no such bird.
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Yes I am payback for getting the board question on the first try back along.
I'm better with boards than birds I s'pose.
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He doesn't know what he's talking about - he's a chicken man.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I've got to get a copy of the joke I saw this morning at my mechanics shop -- had to do with chickens.
You'd have split a gut -- I did !
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You have any problem w/red chalk? When Dale and I were doing that slate octagon, the Arch was a REAL PITA and with the purple and grey and green slate, I decided to not take a chance on red staining. I swiped some Ochre mortar colorant and used that instead of chalk..it disappeared into the background on all the colors of slate.
Neither one of us had a blue chalk box or blue chalk.
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Boy Walter, you don't see that everyday.
I know you've worked on Stephen Kings place, but who is this fisherman guy? Quite a place he's got.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Cal,
Can you imagine a client pulling a gag like this !!
Thats head and shoulders above any prank I've ever seen or heard of.
A wonderful family in a superb location , he's coming up next week to lay slates for a bit so that he can get the feel for it .
Best , Walter
he's coming up next week to lay slates for a bit so that he can get the feel for it .
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He would like to be able to say he's participated and I think it's great . Just that the idea that this Gent wants to see first hand whats happening is pleasing since his skills in his field are light years from mine .
Today is Wuko day . Gonna leave here around 6 to drive to Belfast -- will be looking across the Bay to Islesboro.
Have a good one. Lets see some more photos too when you have time .
Walter
Walter,
I've said this and heard it many times...................
you could write a book.
From the scumbags to the pearls. Man, memory was made for this.
Remind him of the cardinal construction rule-Never back up.
Don't want to lose the good ones.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Time to revive this thread again .
Had a lot of irons in the fire lately so I've been lax on picture taking and posting here. Well on the way on the slate relaying . The mortality rate on this strip was quite high due to a lot of ice and snow damage over the years , so the middle area between the dormers I used salvaged slates 1" wider than the originals - from a building about a mile downriver .
Some shots of the work in progress .
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Some shots of fitting the courses under the copper valley which will remain in place.
The sheet is loosened so that the end can be lifted to enable Grace to be laid under the valley and the proper number of courses installed under it too.
Once it's slated to the exposure line then the valley is nailed and Graced over the top and slates laid onto the valley copper.
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Some shots that didn't make the last post .
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The stack has a hub right at the roof line and not possible to cut and Fernco a straight piece on -- so I'll make a tapered cone to make the transition .
I'll fabricate the stack flashing tomorrow.
Heres the old stack , the copper sheet and the cone .
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Looks good Walter. Thanks for the update.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Thank you Chuck .
Best regards , Walter
Steve ,
Here are some shots from a distance of the work in progress .
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Hey Walter -
You doing this yourself or do you have help? http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
So Walter and/or Steve? LOL Is that hook steel or copper?http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
Stainless
More pictures of the tapered cone - vent stack flashing being fabricated.
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More of the stack flashing being soldered up.
Tabs are alternated to lock the cone to the base prior to soldering.
Fluxed up and ready for solder.
Two different shaped hand irons for the soldering process . The pointed tipped iron goes behind the cone easier for a better bond.
Face side completed.
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Last batch for today .
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Grant ,
A lot of times I can break the hub and connect a piece with a fernco but this had a bunch of lines tieing in just below the roof .
Easier to do it this way .
I didn't get a finished shot of the underside being soldered up too .
Walter
So do bend and point them? or buy off the rack? And how come the two below the plumbing stack? I don't know why, seems I'm just fixated with these hookers<G>And nice stack. I'm still trying to get my plumber to paint the pvc ones roof colored!http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
I use them when there is only nailing on one side of a slate shingle , or where the nailing feels less than satisfactory .
Thanks Walter. I have never set foot on a slate roof, probably a good thing, and it's great you take the time to take some of the mystery out it. Maybe you can explain hockey to me when this roof is done!http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
One last shot from a distance of the new stack flashing in place .
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Walter,Great work, great thread. Just wanted to let you know that I've been following from the beginning. Thanks for posting.
Thanks bd ,
Always good to know that people like to follow along .
Best regards , Walter
Walter,Thanks for the extra views.Boy, that's a lot of staging!Looking great as usual.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
I use roof brackets every 8 courses of slate so there are 6 levels of roof stagings up there .
Thanks again , Walter
Looking good up there Walter!
Thank you Mike ,
Where have you been lately ?? Haven't seen you posting as much lately !
Best , Walter
Working, blogging at greenbuildingadvisor.com, and taking architecture classes as UMA so I can get a license someday, and parents who aparently like hanging out in hospitals.... It's been a busy spring!
Looks like a nice week ahead of us, let me know when you're coming down this way--
I just bought a Makita beam morticer from an ad in Uncle Henry's so I won't need to go to Timberwolf Tools real soon . Some rain day I may still go there to check out their portable band saws for big beams though . If I do I'll call ahead to see if we can hook up .
Sorry to hear parents are ailing .
Best , Walter
Snort ,
There a store bought item from a roofing supply house .
Gotta remember to order more soon .
Walter
Walter,Did you have some of those hooks in copper in an earlier thread?Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
Yes I order them in both copper and stainless fromEvergreen Slate Co. in New York .
Best , Walter
Walter -
I've just used the stainless - I think that's all my supplier stocks. Why would one use copper vs SS? The SS seems less visible to me.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant ,
The stainless is too stiff to bend a little if you need to .
On old board decks you sometimes need to nail the hook in right in a gap . With the copper you can bend the top piece a bit to nail in lower . Also the hook end can be bent down slightly if you need to .
Stainless is to stout for these manoevers .
Walter
Steve ,
Missed your post during the responses from the other day .
Yes I use a lot of copper hooks , but I was running low so I used these other ones .
Heres some pic's of bats I uncovered when I removed the hip metal this morning .
There were 5 of them under 2 lengths of metal. The camera battery played out before I could get a shot of them all.
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Walter,Neat! You had some bats in a previous thread, too, right?Are they popular as house pets in Maine?Nice to see those little critters. I know the caves in VA are having a time of it now with this white nose syndrome.Might have to put up some bat boxes and help out around here.Thanks for the photos.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
I come across them quite often during the course of my roof work .
They eat a tremendous amount of insects so they are highly desirable to have around .
Getting hot in the DC thread !! See what Chuck inadvertantly started !
Best , Walter
LOL, you boys.It's like the heat miser and the snow miser of claymation fame going at it.Maybe Colleen can play the mother nature role and get you two to play nicely!Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Walter,
See what Chuck inadvertantly started !
Well put. I wasn't trying to start anything.
Just like woodworking, your trade(s) have different methods to meet the end result. I understand and deal with field and shop conditions.
Chuck S
live, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck ,
It's good to get differing opinions on lots of subjects .
Grant and I think alike a lot of the time , but in this case we differ on our methods . We both can learn a bit along the way as well as others looking on .
I'm glad you asked that question in the DC thread cause it started a good exchange of ideas .
Best regards , Walter
I'm glad you asked that question in the DC thread cause it started a good exchange of ideas .
Oh quit being such a gentleman. I say we tag team him and kick his butt.
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I'm too tuckered out to fight or kick butt !
I'm not sure I've got enough left to hold the light !
How many here do you think ever make their own stack boots ??
How many here do you think ever make their own stack boots ??
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I hope we get to see the photos !!
W,What do you do to seal the top of the stack boot to the actual stack? Haven't seen either you or Grant cover that in the discussions.
I'll show pictures tomorrow when I solder the top where I've cut and folded it onto and just inside the top of the cast iron pipe .
I'll see if I can find a pic. I do it differently from Walter (surprise). I use either pipe crimpers or needle nose pliers and "shrink" the top so it's starts to fold over the top of the pipe. When I get it horizontal, I tap it down inside the pipe.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
BD ,
Here are a couple pictures of the top being fluxed and then soldered . The focus wasn't the greatest this morning for some reason .
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A few pictures of stripping the dormer roofs .
They used hot asphalt when they laid this side , slathered on real good !!
Because of the change in roof pitch they shortened up the slates thru the transition and used tin to make a false headlap .
I left early cause it was coming up hard in the heat .
Bat totals 12 living 2 deceased ( not by me )
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Walter,Tune in tomorrow...same bat time, same bat channel?Looks great. Is the top of the pipe cover soldered because you segment that part before bending it down/in?Thanks,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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You trying to start another ruckus there fella ??!!!
As Grant pointed out yesterday he crimps his and bends over , whereas I cut bend over and solder mine .
Different approaches to achieve the same end result.
Your tree project looks exciting !
Take care Steve ,
Best regards , Walter
Walter,Not in the least, my friend!I was just curious. I thought you guys were only talking about how you handled the joint between the flashing and the tube, not the top. Maybe I missed that.Yes, between the roof, the tree, and trying to wrangle a new ac unit, it's been a busy week here. And I'm not even doing any heavy lifting :)Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
I knew you weren't trying to start anything !
Grant and I differ on most ways to fabricate and finish off these stack flashing units , but were good with it I'm sure . There are many ways to get the job done.
He's in a more controlled environment -- his shop -- and I'm a more in the field kind of guy .
Almost ready to send some lobsters and seed money . Heading out to Vinalhaven after I finish on the River .
Best , Walter
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I knew you weren't trying to start anything !
Yes he was!
I'm working on something right now I want you to take a look at and see what you think.
I'll start a new thread with pix when I get done and post it to you.
What happened to seeyou ????
Fire away when ready .
Don't mean to hijack, but here's some pix of how I work the top of a waste stack. I didn't have a piece of pipe handy so the finished product is a little rougher than a real life installation.
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The result would look great if there'd been a pipe inside of it. I'll get some live action pix the next time we do a real one. It took me every bit of 2 mins to finish that top.
I'll grab my crimpers and try that the next time I do one .
You get used to doing it one way and sometimes forget to look for alternatives .
Another thread still coming ??
Another thread still coming ??
Yeah - it's posted.
The crimp deal is so much faster/easier than cut and solder is why I keep try to get you to look at it. When I figured it out, I was pissed at myself for not doing it earlier. I could be retired by now.
I can adapt to good ideas if I can implement them easily - which in this case I surely can .
Walter,
From the Stupid Question Dept.
As you progress up the roof it seems you move your staging up the roof (not sure it that's the correct term.....the things you walk on that are fastened to the roof...make sense?)
Anywho, how do you attach those to the roof, since it has been slated already??
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Recko ,
The brackets are installed after 8 courses of slates have been laid .
A copper piece 3 " wide by 16" long is nailed into the back of my wooden brackets and into the deck just above the last slates . We slate over the copper and simply score and bend to break it when we're done and breaking down .
Grant, Walter,Thank you both for taking the time to post & answer questions.
Some shots of getting up to the fronts of the dormer roofs .
I'm using two Little Giant halfs I got for scrap cost from my local junkyard - the center hinge was busted , but they still function up and down .
I'm setting on my roof plank then up from there.
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Walter,As always, looks great. Those rafter tails are nice. I can picture a good ol' boy that does not climb anymore making the cuts as the saw man. It looks like full dimensional lumber.Do you have any shots of how you deal with the hips?Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
I'll take some pictures on Sat . of the hip process .
I'll be helping install a fully adhered .060 EPDM roof tomorrow.
Thanks for continuing to check out the progress .
I'll be looking at a large portable beam saw soon so I can do some timber work with fancy shaped ends . Any brands you have experience with ??
Best , Walter
Walter,Are you cutting new rafter tails for this project?I noticed the ends here. A nice feature. A little art here really goes a long way toward a fine looking structure.Maybe Frenchy's got some insight on the beam saw for you? Or Tim Uhler.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
No not for this project , but something for myself and SWMBO .
Going to make a combo potting shed / compost tumbler storage / bird feeder hanging area from Douglas fir beams that I can get locally from a mill that resaws .
I bought a 16" Makita saw last Fall , and will pu the beam morticer Sunday morning .
Excellent timber frame tool source is only and hour and three quarters to my South .Some rainy day I'll be heading down to test drive their 3 models they sell .
Best , Walter
Walter,Sounds like a neat project. Hope you'll take some photos.I'm hunting for ideas now that I have some space on the back 40 to build something like that. Thinking I will saunter down to the Solar Decathlon on the Mall this year and try to incorporate some of that in my design. http://www.solardecathlon.org/Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Woodbutcher Tools?
Timberwolf Tools http://www.timberwolftools.com/
I am curios about the standing seam copper skirt at the eaves. What is the reason for it? Architectural detail for looks or is it purposeful?
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Architectural detail for looks or is it purposeful?
It's for ice dam protection. Treats the symptom, not the disease.
I think they look pretty cool, though. It's a detail only seen in heavy snow country.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I like the look and thought that what you say about the symptom not the disease would be accurate. Thanks for the reply.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Seeyou has already nailed it .
Function plus looks is a win / win situation .
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Membrane roof today to help my buddies out .
I'll be back on the Penobby tomorrow and Monday and be close to done slating .
I'll post some glue down pics after I eat . Always a bunch of questions on EPDM .
Be back later .
OK, so there's a timber framing tool supplier a mile from my office that I knew nothing about....
That will be easy to hook up then when I come down !!
Definitely!
Chuck ,
Heres the procedure we used for the hips .
The existing galvanized metal hips were still in very serviceable condition , and since we weren't slating the whole house we decided to paint them and re use them .
Heres the caps all wire brushed and painted , with attention given to the hem underneath where water wicked back under causing rust .
The hip had 1 ' strips of Grace laid up and over the hip board to prevent wind driven rain from penetrating .
Some of the caps after fastening .
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Walter,This might seem an elementary seaming question, but how come the flanges of the hip caps don't go under the slate? Easier to cover up the slate ends, maybe?Been meaning to tell you that I crack up at the sight of your 'Danger. Men working above' sign. Good friend of mine ages ago used to have that sign above her headboard. Always got a good chuckle from me.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
If they were step flashed hip metal instead of 8 ' lengths , then they would be installed under the slate .
If done that way with long lengths it would let water in a bit .
Best , Walter
Walter: Just back from the Keys and kind of miss all that scaffolding. My roof looks great! What a pleasure to have seen a true craftsman at work. Thank you. My only complaint is that you finished so quickly that I did not get a chance to get up there and hammer in one slate. And you didn't put the pterodactyl back up.
Robert,
I'm out on Vinalhaven , but I'll be back soon enough .
You can still get some slating in on the chimneys and other spots .
Thanks for the kind words .
Hope you had fun .
Best , Walter
Walter,
Thank you. Your work is most impressive.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
More questions from the peanut gallery: how are those ridge caps fastened? and, are those hip ridge boards the actual hip rafter, or something applied?http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
Snort ,
Held down with peanut butter !!!
In reality they are nailed into the sheathing and rafter below with 16 d galv . box nails -- along side the center raised area at an angle on each side every 18 " or so .
Thats just a 1" x 2" board applied on top of the sheathing .
Walter
Walter,Just checking in for my picture fix.You guys being held captive by a pot full of angry lobstants?Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
Just finally finished up this morning - got one more load of pipe staging to haul off in the AM .
Heading out to do that tower roof on Sunday and will have a feel for the large red crawley things at that point .
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Walter,This looks like a fun project coming up!I bet Robert is thrilled with your work. What did you guys decide to do on insulating that attic space? Thanks for all the updates here.Sent you an email yesterday, too. If you didn't get it let me know.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
Not sure whats taking place with insulating the attic yet .
Coming back to go over the rest of the roof and flash the chimneys after the tower job .
Didn't receive an e mail from you anytime lately .
If I can post photos I'll do so from the Island of this tower roof job . Maybe I'll be put in with Smitty having used up my personal picture quota .
Best , Walter
Walter,Maybe your spam filter doesn't like me?It was really just saying that I was exchanging emails with J Fink and encouraged him to get an article going with you and your work.If you run out of picture room, too, let me know and we'll open Tauton South so you guys can post. LOLBest,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
Thanks for the offer of picture hosting -- most likely I'll be shut off too .
Guess all they want discussed here is poli jive !!
Thanks for intervening with Justin , but after he never responded when I threw out the offer for the salvage slate install on that small barn -- I've got to assume he's got bigger fish to broil .
Doesn't have quite the same zest it did 6 weeks ago . Especially if they are throttling back photo content here .
Best , Walter
Thank you Chuck ,
It's always an ego boost when you respond to my posts !!!
Best , Walter
Walter,
I have never done any green timber framing. I did build a pergola out of 4 x 16 CHR years back and the scroll ends were hand cut.
I did run a beam saw for 2 years. Different animal.
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Looking forward to the hip sequence.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck ,
As I just told Steve I can try out the Hema , Mafell and Oliver models just a ways from me .
They are kind of pricey but well made I think . I'll know better after the test drive .
Hip sequence coming soon . Thanks again .
Walter
Walter,
<We both can learn a bit along the way as well as others looking on .>
The more I learn, the more I realize how much I do not know.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Me too !!
Duhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhna, thebatman!http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant ,
I had help for a couple weeks , but I'm working alone now .
I'll finish up in about 6 or 7 more days .
You could loan me Sphere perhaps !!!
Walter
Robert,
Hope you're enjoying the time away !
Here are some shots of Saturdays activities.
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was worried about you disappearing.....good to see you backMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike ,
Thank you sir ! Haven't noticed you posting as much lately either . Must be golf season !!
Does your hammer ever do more than threaten the bookkeeper ??
Better go give it a workout .
I'll be posting more here as I wind down this job .
Thanks again , Walter
Walter,
Great to see this thread back in action! Possible to see a shot that's back a bit for a fuller picture of how the house looks now?
Don't know how I missed the part about your pterodactyl friend?
You've got something of the Edward Hopper touch in this photo. Like the interplay of the light here.
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Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
Thanks for looking - knew that you would !
Yes I'll get some pictures today from back a bit . Looks kinda crappy with bad slates being sifted thru on the roof stagings and all , but will look sharp once broken down .
Got out of the habit of lugging the camera up to record stuff happening for a bit , but I'm back in the saddle again . Don't know if I'll quite get to the cone flashing this afternoon or not . Rain coming tonite .
Best , Walter
Walter,No rush. I know all about the rain dance two step lately. Hope you get a dry spell so you can finish up.Looking forward to seeing more. I have a new appreciation for what you are doing.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Hey Walter, back at the valley, pic 015, there's a slate under the copper with a little hook holding it? How's that work?http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
Hey Holly,Walter's going to make me his indentured servant if I get this wrong, but I think what you're talking about is a hook that holds the slate in place (from the bottom edge) when you can't nail it down. Slide the hook in first, then the slate I believe.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Good job Steve .
Thank you sir!See, I do pay attention in class here.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve's got it correct . The hook is driven into the sheathing between two slates with a 3 " rise in the metal hook so it's leakproof .
No way to fully nail that slate in a retrofit situation .
I was heat gunning paint off a window trim last week..high atop a site built 2x4 scaffold on a circular stair. The HO's saw my fire ext up there thought something was wrong..I had to assure them, it was so IF something went wrong, I was ready and not needing to try to run to the van.
They LIKED that.
Soldering and paint stripping are the two biggest chances of setting a house afire after torch down roofing IMO.
Before I leave the job, I take one last moment to double check everything ( and reconnect the smoke detectors in the HO's house) for any sign of "too warm" or even a wisp of smoke. I sleep better at night that way.
That old roof felt goes up FAST.
Not sure if I am the homeowner, but I do sleep with her. And I would not have anyone but Walter doing this work - a common opinion in this part of the world - on this historic gem of a home.
You have the cream of the crop there with Walter. I only wish I was close enough to come assist him, so I could pick his brain in real time.
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Thank you Malo,
Maybe we'll work together one of these days.
Walter
Robert,
Thank you very much.
I wished I had 10% of your skills and I'd feel blessed.
See you in the morning. More pictures in a bit.
Best regards , Walter
You know what I think is awesome?
Here we have a thread where the contractor (well, in this case that word just isn't quite appropriate, let's say craftsman) and the homeowner are posting pictures and descriptions of the work, for others to see.
It makes for a really nice alternative to the 'he screwed me' type discussions we sometimes see.
Next time I cross the river on my way from the Airline route over to the 95, I'll have a different perspective on those slate roofs.
Thanks to both of you for this thread, I'm enjoying it.
Well stated.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Thank you very much Harry !
You've probably answered this 10 times already, but how slick is slate? I assume it can get bad when wet?
jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
You know about assume don't you ??
Slippery when dry and dusty , better when wet - just the reverse of what one might expect .
You know about assume don't you ??
Yes, that is what turns a $100 project into a $5-10k one.
jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
Walter,Is that the new DW hole saw? :)What's the rectangular cutout for in the next set of pics?Haven't been back to Gtown since last week. Hoping to be there tomorrow and take some pics for you and Chuck.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
One of my trusty Dw sawzalls - perfect for work up in the air , no cord to step on or haul up or cut thru.
Second one had a badly rotted spot that was very localized so we just repaired that section.
Looking forward to more pics when you do have time.
Best regards , Walter
The funny thing is that you could pull many of those nails out with your bare hand. The wood must have still been wet when they built it and 100 years of shrinkage loosened 'em a bit. I probably could have had a gallon bucket of them, but didn't know what I'd do with them so we just chucked 'em in the dumpster.jt8
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
-- Robert Frost
Thanks for the compliments !
No I didn't see the piece , but if Tom did it ,then it must be the cats meow !!!
Maybe I was a bit to facetious - Their techniques arent always the best , just the most costly usually.
Walter
I am having fun watching the pictures and reading the story.
A couple of questions.
1st post said you were going to Grace up to the dormers and 30 lb after that.
In posts 235-236 it looks like regular 30 lb under the copper, and overlaping on to the copper.
Don't you have to do I&W 2' beyond the interior wall with these slate CU roofs?
I see 3 nails at the top of each piece of copper. Do you also have a clip on the sides?
I see you installed a drip edge at the bottom. How big is that? Up the roof? Overhang?
It looks like some of the standing seams run long over the roof. Did you bend the panels down over the drip edge?
How much 30 lb and slate overlap do you have on the top of the copper? Looks like 4-5". Is that a weak spot for an icedam? Or is the icedam irrelavant with the copper?
Is there a problem lapping I&W on to the copper? I have seen I&W melt and ooze black stuff, which would be real ugly on nice new copper.
Sorry if I sound critical, I don't mean to. I just don't see that kind of work around here and I am trying to understand the methods. Sorry for all the questions.
Great thread and very insteresting.
Rich
Edited 4/7/2009 10:51 pm ET by cargin
Rich ,
I thought you said a couple of questions ??!!
I'll try and answer as many as I can.
The felt is only underlayment for the standing seam panels , and the felt above is only temp. drying in stock. We stripped off the lowest courses so that the panels could be completed before we stripped and prepped the balance of the roof.
Once I've soldered up the panel tops I'll remove enough slates every 8 ' so that I can use an 18" sq. piece of Grace Ultra - the high temp. version , over the copper to within an inch of our exposure line. I'll then install my wooden slate brackets , which will remain in place until the final teardown.
We'll plank in that whole expanse and then begin stripping , renailing and felting and Graceing from the top down. We'll sort the slates as we go leaving the good ones up and bringing the debris down.
We'll use felt above the dormers and regular Grace down to just above the panels.I'll strip a roll of Ultra in half so there is a 17" strip laid over the panels.
I nailed the top of the panel and locked the bottoms onto my own drip edge of 20 oz. It projects out an inch , down 3/4" , then has a hemmed kick of 3/8".
It's nailed solidly into the bottom sheathing board. No clip is required for these short panels.
The Ultra will be less apt to ooze and it will bond 3" onto the copper.
I didn't take any of your questions as critical at all , just pertinent to whats taking place .
Thanks for following along , and the previous help with the photos.
Walter
Walter
Thanks for the answers. I am not familiar with any Grace products. We don't have them around here.
I did a search on Grace Ultra and it is a high tempeture I&W for use under metal roofs and for applications in Hot desert areas where normal I&W will melt and ooze out.
Why don't you use Ultra under the copper? Don't you have code that requires that?
I live in a code free zone for now.
Thanks for the thread.
Rich
Rich,
I have faith in my abilities to keep water out where the copper is placed so I don't need to use it there. The felt acts as padding to keep original sheathing nails from telegraphing onto the panels.
We drove in the old 8d nails , but if they loosen over time , there's less chance they'll affect the copper.
The Ultra will work fine just above the copper then regular Grace above that.
You'll get to see it here as we get more accomplished.
We'll be finishing up the panel install today I think - then I've got to solder all the tops .
Walter
Great stuff, Walter. What is the condition of the wood? Looks to be in good shape. Is it 1" pine, or thicker? Thanks. Robert
Robert,
Most of the sheating is in great condition about 1" thick , but it's hemlock. That was a common wood for framing and boards when your home was built.
Thanks for looking in.
Walter
Oh, yeah. One other thing. You know you only need one of those Rau tools to do both functions don't you? We wore half a set out after 10 years of constant use and decided we didn't need to replace it. Dale figured out a way to use the half that was left for both functions, so that left one less toll to buy and pack up and down.
I just bought a new one from Stortz because they amazingly had the best price I could find. They used to be more expensive than anyone else selling the same stuff. I was shocked that they won the price war.
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No worries mate !
I appreciate the concerns by everyone , but I watched carefully as I tried these fasteners on these old hemlock boards to be sure I wasn't splitting them unduly ,and they were holding well.
I use 4 or 5 in a 10" board at each 2' rafter. Likely overkill , but I'm not using my Estwing either.
Walter
Jon,
These are a headed nail , not a finish nail. A slightly smaller head than a common nail.
They're tightening up the decking really well as I renail it.
I'll take some pictures of the nails and gun on Monday , I think it will be too wet today.
Walter
Walter
What are those "things" sticking under the slates in pic #15?
They look like the snow catchers on standing seam roofs.
Rich
Rich,
Yes --they are snow guards I installed years ago to protect the slate roof below from damage when this upper roof released it's load.
I was uploading by picture number and got the wrong one when I previewed it so I went back and added the correct one. I don't know if it's possible to delete a picture prior to posting though.
Walter
Walter:Be wary of taking too much computer graphics instruction from Steve.He'll be at your door one day expecting to learn your slate trade in exchange!Your getting good.
I'd love to work alongside him with a trade that I knew something about.
Computers is not high on that list I'm afraid , but I think I can be trained.
Thanks , Walter
Steve,
Yes that solves all the issues with making the text easier to read.
Thanks again for helping make my threads more interesting by incorporating all of I've learned here today.
Walter
Walter
I am glad you know what he is talking about.
I didn't have time to try it earlier. I have done a bunchof cropping but i don't have a clue what Steve is talking about.
Rich
Rich,Check your email.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Man oh man,
125 posts and I've only done a mock up of the months work ahead of me !!
Hopefully we can get this many more over the next few weeks - but dealing with the actual workmanship.
I'll be surprised if the Dr. who owns this house - and responded way back along , can stick with it ! Unless he cares about photo nanipulation !
You could start a new thread w/out all the static.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Walter,I'll certainly be tuning in no matter the topic.But if it helps, I can go back and delete my posts.Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
No Siree Bob. That post was certainly not directed at anyone , least of all you who so freely gives of their time to help us neophytes.
I just pushed reply and it was your post last. It was said humorously - general take on how Breaktime works. Each thread has potential to veer away from the original start for who knows why.
Thanks to you and Rich - I think a lot of photo threads have a chance to show improvement from the discussion herein. Especially my own.
Please don't think that I would ever want you or anyone to delete that which is already here.
I value the help you've given me and whoever else.
Best regards , Walter
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I know a Doctor's time can be valuable, but in the event he has or is still reading this far along ( and hopefully learning and laughing with the rest of us) I hope he knows that he has a gentleman who is one of the finer craftsmen available to attend to his rooftop.
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Thank you very much for that wonderful vote of confidence , Paul.
Walter,I know, I was just trying to be helpful.I emailed Rich about this earlier. I don't think Picasa will do the rectangle overlay I described above.GIMP is a free editor that will, though. http://www.gimp.org/
I know Grant's been using it with good success. Must admit that every time the Penobscot is mentioned I think back to Hot Lips Houlihan. Quite a string of Maine references they had in that show.Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Thank you again. If I keep practicing I may get the hang of this yet !
Don't be surprised if I ask for guidance again before I've mastered these techniques.
I especially liked the rectangle to add the text into.
I think even Smitty will be happy with that approach !!
As always , Best regards , Walter
GIMP is a free editor that will, though. http://www.gimp.org/I know Grant's been using it with good success.
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Thanks Grant,
These guys have been lots of help this weekend to enable me to do more with the pictures , more easily , and with better effects I hope.
Real work begins this week but I'll not have help until the week following.
Still one section where some frozen snow needs to melt some more to allow another tower to be put up.
I'll get some pictures of the River too from the ridge soon.
Walter
Yeah - I've just been fooling around with Picassa. I didn't realize it would do a lot of these things. This hijack has been plenty fruitful.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Yes, that's right. GIMP's an image manipulation device as opposed to something like Picasa/Irfanview. The latter are great at small tasks like resizing, rotating, removing red eye, etc. But if you want to start layering photos or introducing things like rectangles with text on top, GIMP, Photoshop, Fireworks, etc. are what you want to be using.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
I just downloaded it . I'll be trying to learn a bit about it later.
Maybe you should put me on ignore for awhile <G>
Walter,LOLNot a chance. Besides, answering your tech questions is orders of magnitude more fun than the plumbing that I'm supposed to be doing!Best,Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Hip-hip-hooray
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so, rich... from that last attachment, i take it you are on a MAC ?is that right ?
if you are on a mac,, why do you like picasa better than iPhoto ?Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike
so, rich... from that last attachment, i take it you are on a MAC ?
No, I am on Windows XP and Internet Explorer.
Used computer, maybe 5 years old.
Monitor is probably 10-12 years old.
When I get my office/spare bedroom done then I will get a new computer system and leave this one for the family computer. This computer has the books on it and it's our primary desktop.
My wife and daughter have laptops that they do alot of other stuff on, but everyone seems to need this one time and time again.
So I am going to get my own (LOL) and it probably won't be a Mac.
Rich
"This computer has the books on it and it's our primary desktop"Please tell me that you back things up to CD or to an offsite server.
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Piffin
We have a back up hard drive.
With this or a CD if we have a fire then it's all gone.
SIL is CPA and she has all our Quarterly, year end and tax stuff.
Rich
Since we're on the hijack. How do I embed a pic? I could do it on a pc with windows XP, but I can't do it on the iMac with Firefox. You're on a mac, no?
2 choices to embed. If you are using Firefox you'll have to put in your own HTML commands and be sure to check the box that says "Check here if HTML tags are in the message"If you've got access to a server and you've posted the photo there already, grab the URL and use the following command like so:<p><img src="put your URL here">Or you can attach a photo to your post, then preview it before you hit 'post'. Click on the attached photo and then when it appears, right click on it to get the URL in the BT system.Then use the same command. (This way you'll wind up with both the embedded image and the attached image)<p><img src="put your URL here">'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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i can't do it on my mac....i have to use one of my window machinesMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Very nice Rich. I doubt I'll see that many here though.
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That looks suspiciously like a naked bottom . . .
Forrest
Maybe so , but it's just a 5er hooked on top of my fibergass access ladder.
The next picture was taken with you in mind - the famous rear view mirror series !!
That flare looks Quebecoise. I'm curious what you'll do with the dormers--is that really stucco?
Mike,
I redid the dormer valleys years ago , but all slate will be removed and relaid.
The dormer cheeks are well protected with fairly large overhangs so I'm going to try and use the flashing thats there and not disturb the stucco. I'll lift it and totally Grace under it then relay the wider slates in this area.
Walter,
I look forward to another great tread from you. Thanks!
Think the first three barges from Chianbro's new Brewer oil rig venture floated down the river today. Did you catch them?
oldfred
No I didn't have the time to spare to see them loading and taking off downriver. Wished I had though.
Thanks for the kind words.
Walter
Hello Walter,I have not been bored yet by any your work or photos.I look forward to a month more of interesting stuff from you.You continue to keep us all amused and interested.Be safe up there and thanks for taking time.Regards Thomas CollierPrimo Construction
Could you work on resizing when you embed them?Total of all those in one thread is around five megs trying to download all at one time - locks me out Better to keep them all less than 200KBs and/or just embed one of the four and let us get the others one at a time by choice. I'd really like to see the job.
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Ha, I was just reading thru the first couple threads and thinking 'man, this must be torturing Piffin, Dinosaur and IMERC to no end.
He's pretty close to being able to shrink them down as all I did to the bulk of them was just save them from his posts and save again without resizing the pics.Oh Bohemian, Live Forever!be a groupie groupie
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yeah, that works - got everything in 6-7 minutes - one painless freecell game!I like those rafter tails - whole thing looks a bit more like a N Cal bungalow style than we usually see around here, but then Walter is upriver a few miles.
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what about 3 embedded pics of apx 200 kb each ? ( say 700 kb max ) ?what about 4 embedded pics of average less than 200 kb each for a max of say 700 kb ?Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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The time is coming.I have it figured out that that is the way for me to go. Been waiting for other options to develope, and someday they may be here, but they can't commit to a date, so heck with it.it won't cost any more than it does now.
My current land line FAX and PC is about $33/mo plus $20 for the local ISP.I think the sat is 50-55/month
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You need to keep some kind of Dailup for when a protracted storm blocks your signal. Most here pass w/in an hour, but Murphy says it'll be just the hour you need.
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It's not like I'm THAT addicted to BT,LOLI have a feel for when reception would be bad, because of how much the TV sat goes out. And probably 75% of the time, out power is out at the same time anyhow.Anothe remergency option is a public wi-fi at the library. I can park there with laptop in the car. Did that once a month ago to send some large files to a client when we were having storms
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For me, it works out to what the total is. This being a virgin thread load this morning, when I clicked on it, ALL of those were coming in together. what was it - three posts with several large files in each?It seems to be around 2mgs or so that things lock up in the browser. Or in the email.I have three choices.
1)
Try to kill the browser and then restart it and come back to the thread, at which time prospero has my cookie registered to have already seen the first ones so that it doesn't reload them
2)
Go take a shower of fix a snack or carry firewood in or walk the dog and hope that maybe things will sort themselves out and I will have something to look at. ( that seldom happens - what is more common is that each of those 12-20 pictures will each have a slice showing of the top of them and the activity will have ceased. Hitting the reload button gets another inch of each picture more or less before it stalls again)
3)
Shut the PC down by pulling the plug or with cntrl/alt/delete
This is my only choice occasionally with really voluminous stuff, like when my 72 YO internet illiterate uncle in CA sends me a movie of him singing in an email, but it has happened here at BT too - I once told it to open a large photo file without realizing it was 3mgs It really doesn't matter to me if the photos are all in one post, or spread over ten posts, if they are all trying to download at one time. It's the total coming down the pike.From my POV, it works best if there is one or two embedded, and then all the others as attachments that I have the option to open one at a time. I can then have the photos downloading to a separate tab while reading the thread.Or the other option of shutterfly where thumbnails show and then I can chose to see or not the larger photo.And I don't mean to be a complainer, but I often just avoid the photo threads altogether because of embeds and only try when I know it is going to be worth some trouble to me, like this one.
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ok... so you get the total load of the thread
well, i'll tell you my observation, from my own selfish point of view
i hate going to ashutterfly site to view something... our daughter uses that
and i hate going off-site to view things
i don't like having to click on a photo to view it... and a lot of these threads have like 7-8 pics stacked in a post, with no explanation , lot's of duplications, and no description of which photo is which
kinda like this:
"this is our house......"
then 8 pics with no description
then next day...
"got the walls framed"....
8 more pics that i have to click on to view , again with no description
i want to see a photo essay.. i want to see details... i want to get inside the builder's head and figure out why he/she did what they did .. and what went into the decicion process
so
my favorite thread is :
an opening description to what the project is all about
then a pic ( embedded ) with a description of what the heck i am supposed to see in the pic
then another pic ( embedded ) with a description of what i am looking at
then another pic.. etc, etc
three pics... ( 4 max ) and three descriptions
end of post
next series... another post and 3 - 4 more pics and descriptions
the word pictures are just as important to me as the pics.. and i want to see the pics without having to open them
but, hey, that's just me
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That makes the story smoother, and it works for me when the photos are kept to 100-200kbs each.BUt notice that several of the first ones here were 5-600kbs each. That is what makes for overload. I'm sure out of the thousands of viewers BT gets, I'm not the only one left in limboAt SPLASH, because the nature of the subject matter is sharing drawings, a thread may have embeds in nearly every post, but the limit upload the site allows is 50KBs. I'd agree that is a bit on the small side, but you'd be surprised what a quality image you can get on a large display screen with only 50KBs, esp in line drawings. There are lots of renderings that can fill a screen though too.Those threads will be slow loading for me, but never a lock up.
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And there's the flip side to having the pics embedded paul.
Nice to have an explanation along with the pic w/o having to remember "in the first picture............"
All in all, no pleasing everyone.
If boss hog reads this, I'd like to suggest he make his pics a tad smaller so it doesn't expand the text right to left so I have to pan to get it all in.
Yup, no pleasing everyone all the time.
edit: I should have kept reading b/4 posting this. I see it's been mentioned enough already.
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Edited 3/28/2009 7:44 am ET by calvin
Paul,
I've been resizing to 640 x 480 like I always do , but there coming out larger than ever before.
Maybe I'll try using Picasa instead of Irfanview.
Walter
remember after resize to save the new size?I usually do at 720 width with 72pixels per inch. Your camera might be saving 300/inch or more. Then sizing width will still have high resolution condensed in small view frame, but with lots of pixel info making large file size.Wonder if you are getting too many colours too - I use 256 instead of the millions available
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>I've been resizing to 640 x 480 like I always do , but there coming out larger than ever before. <
Check your resolution when you're resizing if you can. Fro interenet postings it's a waste to do anything over 100dpi.
BTW enjoying the thread too.
You've got reception in cell block 9 eh ??
Thanks John , I'm still getting the kinks out.
Tommy,
Thank you for the encouragement. That makes it more fun when you people have an interest and not just doing for my own amusement.
Have a happy birthday in 10 days if your profile is accurate.
Walter
Hey Walter,
I appreciate the good wishes .As you know I'll only be 59 next month.Hope I have a few more in me.Lots to do.Regards.Thomas
Thomas,
I'll be 59 in late Nov. so I'm right behind you.
I'm playing with Picasa , thanks to Rich for a new resizing method this morning.
I'm going to try embedded text on the picture now. Hoping Mike Smith will approve.
Walter
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Nope no text came thru even though it shows when I'm uploading.