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   RJT | Mar 21, 2004 01:50am | #1

   our shop has used all saws and have found the hitachi fine, the Milwaukee durable, the ridgid looks it but ain't. Delta is tuff to change things on. Makita is good with a craftsman working it. No bosch. It seems there are a lot of excellent saws, what makes them work the best is how one is working them. If you own it, now matter what it is, it will last. If you allow a hired idiot to use it, it won't last long, no matter what mfg put it out.
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   rasconc | Mar 21, 2004 02:30am | #2

   I think Lowes had the Hitachi 10" for $149, I personally like the DeWalt 705 for the money, $50 more gets you a double bevel.  I have both and like them but I am not using them every day.  Like somebody said about trucks,  "you can do a small truck (saw) job with a big truck but you can not do a big truck (saw) job with a small one".  Flip side is if you are lugging around everyday and work on third floor walkups maybe smaller is better.  Buy the cheapest you can find, charge a lot and leave it on the jobsite. :-)

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   JeffBuck | Mar 21, 2004 02:49am | #3

   for a regular compound miter ....

   DeWalt 705.

   Jeff

   Buck Construction   Pittsburgh,PA

        Artistry in Carpentry                

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   RW | Mar 21, 2004 05:31am | #4

   For a 12" slider, I vote Bosch 4412. Love that saw. Mak is also good, as is their 10" slider.

   I expect IMERC along shortly to support my position. He'll be the one in the blue Bosch shirt carrying the baseball bat.

   "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain

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   IMERC | Mar 21, 2004 05:49am | #5

   12 slider is the Bosch and for a 10 slider it would have to be Milwaukee..

   RW... I can I have my bat back??? Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   CAGIV | Mar 21, 2004 06:52am | #7

   I can I have my bat back??? 

   No, now go back to your corner and sit facing the wall, you're still in time out

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   IMERC | Mar 21, 2004 06:53am | #8

   Okay son....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   RW | Mar 21, 2004 07:08am | #9

   Here. Never mind the chip. Came from some young kid in a bird costume :-)

   "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain

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   IMERC | Mar 21, 2004 07:22am | #10

   I can tell CAG is out on the loose tonight...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   Lateapex911 | Mar 21, 2004 07:57am | #11

   What??? Whats wrong with the Bosch 10"er that matches the great 12'er???Jake Gulick

   [email protected]

   CarriageHouse Design

   Black Rock, CT

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   IMERC | Mar 21, 2004 08:15am | #12

   They are different animals. The Milwaukee has to the toughest and most forgiving SCMS that I have ever come across. True workhorse and glutton for punishment. It will outlast the Bosch many times over.

   I keep preaching you get what you pay for and try yur damnest to get the best return for your money.

   Watch what happens when Milwaukee intro's their version of a 12"...

   My Bosch 12 and 4000 TS were just stolen. So new is on the horizon for me..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   Lateapex911 | Mar 22, 2004 09:37am | #13

   Sorry to hear of your theft. Scummy people>......Jake Gulick

   [email protected]

   CarriageHouse Design

   Black Rock, CT

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   jc21 | Mar 21, 2004 06:05am | #6

   For a non slider, a vote for the Makita LS 1220.

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   billyg | Mar 22, 2004 08:11pm | #14

   Try the 10 inch Hitachi slider.  It is solid, well-built, and not as heavy as a 12".

   Billy

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   IMERC | Mar 23, 2004 12:03am | #15

   BUT NOT AS GOOD..... AND CHEAPER....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   Tomar | Mar 29, 2004 03:40am | #16

   bosch 4412, no contest.  This saw has it all.

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   davidmeiland | Mar 29, 2004 04:39am | #17

   I read up on that one... sounds like fair number of complaints of excessive runout. What's your opinion on that? I need the best possible cuts in large and expensive trim material.

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   Tomar | Mar 29, 2004 05:26am | #18

   I've owned this saw about a week, no problems with runout so far, but I'm only doing 2 5/8 oak crown right now.  Extra wide hardwood crown on any saw I'll usually cut 1/32 over, then shave again.  Don't know where you heard negatives, I've heard nothing but posi's.  Dual bevels, 50 left 60 right miters, crown detents.  The controls are a little hard to get used to at first, but once mastered are actually a time-saver, because they're all up front.  The best I've ever used or owned. IMO.

   The DeWalt is good, but more power than precision, the Craftsman is 'guaranteed for death',  the Hitachi doesn't stay accurate for any length of time,  the Mak I liked best  before the Bosch, although you actually had to go 'round back to set bevel.

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   joeg1221 | Mar 29, 2004 05:45am | #19

   A few years ago I retired my Delta 10"slide to a permanent home in the shop bench. Still runs great. Went to that giant 12"yellow piece of crap. 3 months later I retired it to the shelf under my saw station. Still runs like crap. I've been running the Hitachi 10" for about 2 years now and am considering buying another one to shelf just in case they decide to redesign it. The saw owes me nothing as it is still as accurate and smooth as ever. Good luck, Joe

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   davidmeiland | Mar 29, 2004 07:06am | #20

   I really love my old Hitachi. Wish it had a cut counter--it's probably close to a half a million cuts, something like that--for months at a time it's been the only saw on jobs with multiple carpenters, and it's still totally smooth and accurate. It could have died years ago and I would have thought it was great. Only peeve is the small blade. I think I may do the 10" Hitachi next, as I need to be able to set up 2 saws.

   Edited 3/29/2004 12:08 am ET by davidmeiland