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   DavidxDoud | Oct 27, 2003 11:28pm | #1

   thousands of them at salvage businesses - frames are not that hard to build....

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   pino | Oct 27, 2003 11:57pm | #4

   Trying to find the right sizes with similar lite patterns seems a bit daunting. I have toyed with the idea of making them myself, but it may be beyond my skill level.

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   DavidxDoud | Oct 28, 2003 12:06am | #5

   ya - making a couple of windows is a task to point at with pride - - making 50 is just a big job - - I'd still snoop around a couple of salvage places,  tho - - there are lots of sets of sashes,  and you surely have a little flexibility is dimension - -

   FWIW,  I can buy stock sizes of wooden sash (6 divided lite, single strength) thru my local yard quite cheaply - ask them to check for 'barn sash' - - probably not the size your looking for....

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   pino | Oct 28, 2003 12:08am | #6

   I will look into it. thanks for the idea.

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   jimblodgett | Oct 28, 2003 03:09am | #7

   If you get stuck shoot me an e mail, I can build them for you, ship them unglazed to save on weight, and you can get them glazed locally. 

   Orrrrrr, if you have even modest woodworking skills and access to a decent shop, I'd encourage you to make your own, far easier than you might think.   There are several books and articles in print to guide you.  Like most carpentry tasks, it comes down to a series of simple steps - build one prorotype to get the feel of it then maybe divide it into a few sets at a time.  By the time you get to the living room and kitchen, you'll be looking for the next challenge.  If it ends up to be over your head, what have you lost in trying?

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   pino | Oct 28, 2003 03:27am | #9

   I would be interested in looking at the books and articles you referenced.

   I think my biggest fear of such a project revolves around the tenoned muntin bars more than anything else. Although my skills are above average (IMO) and I do have access to a very nice shop, I have never tried anything as detailed as tenoning cope and stick joinery.

   I will definitely keep your offer of bulding them unglazed in the front of my mind. We will start needing windows on our renovation next summer.

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   jimblodgett | Oct 28, 2003 05:02am | #10

   Okay, back in the good old days, when Fine Homebuilding was more craft oriented, not that far from Mother Earth News, they published lots of this type thing.  It was quite inspiring to those of us dreamers who thought of carpentry as more of an art form than a bottom line focussed profession. 

   "Making Window Sash" by John Leeke, FHB issue 18, pages 72-77.  Well written article. He describes how he makes replacement sash for two different styles of double hungs. He uses a tablesaw and a router - has sections on grinding router bits to match original millwork and yes, there is even a couple hundred words under a sub heading "Cutting tenons on rails and muntins".  Sounds about perfect for what you want to do.

   "Cranking Out Casements" by Scot McBride, FHB issue 50, pages 69-73.  He introduces the use of the shaper and a few great jigs to the equation, but the joinery for the sash itself is basically the same.  Most excellent article, as were most of his back then.

   If you can't get your hands on either one of those issues, they both were reprinted, along with several other great articles in the FHB compillation book "Windows & Skylights" one of "The Best of Fine Homebuilding" series, and this one really was the best of, indespensible.  I'd be astonished if you couldn't still get it from Taunton.

   Okay, then there is another book you might, or might not be able to find called "Ed Knox' Window Book"  It is a self published plastic spiral bound jem of a book by a San Francisco Bay area glazier who made his living repairing and replacing window sash for 30 years or something like that.  I got my copy a few years ago from The Builder's Booksourse, in Berkely.  I THINK their web address is http://www.buildersbooksite.com.  Tell you what, man, after receiving my copy I called them to tell them how much I enjoyed it and the person on the other end says "that's great, I'll make sure to tell Ed next time he comes in".  Anyway, if they still stock that thing, it'd be worth it to order a copy just to have, really, it's that inspiring and there's stuff in there I've never seen in print before, like how to build replacement sash for out of square jambs...really useful stuff like that. 

   There's probably lots more out there too, pino.  Hopefully some of the other guys will chime in with their favorites, I'm always looking for more good reading.

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   pino | Oct 28, 2003 06:05am | #11

   thank you so much for the list. I will track all of these down as soon as possible and make my winter renovation project a trial window. I'll report back on my progress.

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   BillHartmann | Oct 28, 2003 06:39pm | #12

   If you can't find the window and skylight book check the articles should be purchable from the FHB Archives (or the CD).

   Also you might check out Hamilton Books online. They have a lot of Tauton books at close out prices.

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   jimblodgett | Oct 27, 2003 11:30pm | #2

   Where are you located, pino?
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   pino | Oct 27, 2003 11:31pm | #3

   Northwest Indiana, right outside Chicago.

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   andybuildz | Oct 28, 2003 03:17am | #8

   Get the magazine "Old House Journel" ....their resource guide. (sorry Andy E)

   Theres dozens of manufacturors in there for what you want.

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