some while ago i asked for trim guidance for a large project and promised pics as i went along…
so here is a start, first stuff i resized so it would post- more to follow
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built in shelves in the bath
built ins guest bedroom
door trim, base
cedar linings
various...
good looking work ...
but get some paint on there quick! That's the weirdest looking fingerjointed stuff I've ever seen!
Like the "behind the toilet" detail ...
trying to work up something similar myself ....
probably just gonna use a premade plinth ... bought 3 test pieces ... we decided to nix the whole idea ...
may as well throw one behind the commode?
JeffBuck Construction Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
I have to ask. Why are there so many finger joints in your trim pieces? Looks like a lot of work for someone to put a joint every six inches.
Nice looking work though, I'm impressed...............
Thanks for sharing........"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Bob
..."why so many finger joints?"...i think they are leftovers from one of FDR's public works projects...just the way it comes- every piece chock full of joints.
sixteen feet long, flat and straight...
thanks for the compliments
dangit doug. reduce the size of those pics. The 150 kb was fine, but I'm missing what all the hoopla is about. I'll buy you a beer................Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
yeah yeah yeah- if i only knew how- wife is home- maybe she can help me.
last time i saw you you were buying beer on my twenty so it's surely yer turn...
i'll give it a whirl after dinner
hell hub, I was in your town.
beck was right.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
who is beck?
that's jeff and buck put together.
oh man, I'm going for a walk.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
aw shoot- c-mon beck- that's back misspelt which is almost buck and he will buy us both beer- becks mebbe...
coolRemodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
see if this is any better
Perfect doug, thanks.
Good work.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
got more for you
inside the kids closets- shelves are adjustable in the stand up unit- hanging rod turns the corner which ain't done cuz i am still figuring out how...
used that flashtac glue with the accelerator today on returns- don't get any better man-
hub, that's some great looking work...
what kind of wood is that finger jointed trim? poplar?
man, that is some funky looking stuff, with the light to dark, to light....
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yep- poplar.
thanks for the kind words-
my son thinks it will be a shame to paint that wood- he loves the look
I am rooting Jayhawks cuz all my teams are dead and it is the only way i can defeat my wife at this point...
Are the curved stairs yours?
Those shelf brackets. Nice. Are they 5/4 or 2x in size? And do you hide the fastening into the studs? Plugs? I can't see in the pics.
stairs are not mine- schutte.
brackets are 5/4- pocket screwed into the studs on the back side- no plugs cause you can't see 'em anyway-
i liked the look of the brackets cause they are straight forward and clean-
got any thoughts on turning that corner with a hanging rod- preferably wood?
thanks
doug, I remember hearing on occasion that the guy that did the roof was gonna trim out the house...........usually sends chills down my spine, but only around here could you find folks that could come down off the roof and do a nice job. Not impossible, just not usual.
Are you hanging that rod down under the shelf? A radiused rod around the corner would be nice, but a closet isn't really the place to spend the time I'd guess. How bout several mitres to turn the corner. You got the quick glue, wouldn't need an elaborate clamping system. Or, if you go to metal, a good rod company local could probably get or make up a radius pole.
best of luck.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
What about cutting two blocks at 45 on the back, drilling them for the pole and mounting one on each side of the center bracket. Or is there enough meat in that brack to drill it at 45 from each side and hide the pole ends in there?
Looks like a fun job doug.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
i would be hard pressed to remember a job that has been more fun- oh sure maybe the last time i laid fifty squares of shingles on a twelve pitch by my lonesome.
now that my friend- defines fun!
this is a good project- the folks let me run with my ideas and so far that is a very nice place to be...
Even the columns are finger jointed................What part of the country are you from Doug? Don't they have any trees longer than two feet?
I'm glad to see all those shorts get used up but doesn't it cost more for all that finger jointed stuff?
Nice work...........and you get to stay warm and dry too!"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Bob
i live in ohio - the buckeye state.
all we got is buckeye trees and they are sacred- like cows in indiana.
the finger jointed stuff is cheaper by maybe ten or fifteen percent...
them columns need work- they arrived looking like they were drug up from georgia behind the truck- homeowner said put 'em in and the painter left to go to confession...
U need me to import the worlds best sober painter?
JeffBuck Construction Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
actually ... applied coating specialist.
JeffBuck Construction Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
well we got a painter- i looked at his work the other day- it is up to snuff.
what would have been helpful was a framer.
the homeowner nearly passed out when i adjusted the first door frame with a sledge hammer
me to him- "you want these doors to close ? er just hang in the openings?"
and forget out blocking- i stopped out before the house was insulated- want me to put in the blocking?
naw the framers gonna do that on punch...
oh well- should've taken a day and done it
hey here's the tile work yer missing out on
hell that ain't much of a picture- i will try again later
Hubcap that's some awesome work, I hope you and the homeowner our proud
Thanks for sharin.
thanks butch-
homeowner has sent me a couple of referals and keeps signing checks
i am pleased enuff
always could be better
close ups for bobby d
tile for jeff
"always could be better"
Words of a perfectionist, always striving to do it better, and then never truly satisfied
That's what I'm always saying, but I don't think I've reached the level that you have
obviously attained.
Thanks again for sharing
butch you can be my crocodile-
crocodile is a guy that used to follow mike tyson around and say- you da greatest! you da best! you number one!
if it works out and we tap into half of what tyson pist away you can keep 90 percent...
that is the accsess panel for the whirlpool tub - my design- tile guy never got what i wanted so while he was gone i cut the pieces and there you go...
look at that trim and tile ...
what would ya do with me there screwing things up anyways?
Looks great .... nice to play with nice stuff too, huh?
Customers with taste ... and money.
JeffBuck Construction Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
doug..... keep on keepin on...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
you guys are too nice-
my little boy damn near beat me at golf yesterday mikey
nuther day
so see you in august- i'll be keepin...
red letter day-
last of the built ins upstairs
Did you preplan all that closet stuff, and go in before sheetrock and pop yourself in all the required blocking? Or, did you feel around for what was available, maybe using a studfinder, and then design and build accordingly?
What's your jig for doing a row of shelfclip holes? Is that MDF I am seeing in the cubby back? And why not do the holes in the sides, not require so broad a faceframe stile in front, afford a little more view of the entire shelf?
not preplanned- just talked to the decorators and started building.
located the studs before base was installed- hammer and a straight punch.
back and sides are mdf- face fronts are just what was available on site.
the jig is a eurojig if I remember correctly- i will take a pic
jig and a selfcentering bit ran about 58 bucks
pins are back and sides cause i figured the back position would be marginally stronger- probably not enuff to matter but it takes the same amount of time to drill 'em wherever you put 'em.
I put backs in the units cause the walls are textured and i figured the mdf would stay cleaner
off to hang doors
today's take is not too fascinating-
just doors.
took me three and a half hours to assemble, install and adjust these
but they look nice- never seen a set of slabs as bellied as these- top and bottom plane perfectly- out 3/16's at the strike maybe a shade more.
any way to fix that?
jig pic for bd
and bird pic for the hell of it
never used to see these buzzards when i was a kid....
looks like an egret to me- but this is ohio?
Hub, if you don't see em in the middle of the state, tell him / her to come ahead. Alls well in the NW corner of the state. We be waiting.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Assemble? What, no prehangs? And, are those slabs masonite-faced?
With bows like that, you ought to send them back.
only assembled that one.
yeah masonite.
kinda figured i should send the one slab back
one is true- other don't sister too good...
I've run into the same thing, but with interior french doors that were bulit to my light specs. Problem is, the client was jumping out of their shorts after 4 weeks of the promised 6 week order time. Send 'em back, and wait 6 more weeks?? I left THAT up to the client!!!
Deadlines are always the problem!!
So, Jake Gulick
[email protected]
CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
Hub,
My friend............ You will have to pay for this thread.....On a hill by the harbour
what was it that pushed you over the edge old friend?
the trees and cows?
i have evidence
some nut over there keeps his cattle on his roof...
last couple of days
jamb extensions and trim on some window banks
bent stuff got here- some assembly required
All the work looks good but your making a lot of work for some painter!
Doug
thanks doug.
not bad for my first job...
calvin here are a couple for you- that flash tac- why did i buy another pin nailer?
also some arc trims start to finish
Edited 4/6/2004 9:52 pm ET by hubcap
jambs were way out- flush to 3/8 along the top of the arc - worse down the sides-so i took somebody's idea from here- can't remember who posted it- screwed a block to one of my routers to act as a shoe and paired the extenionsions down just proud of the drywall.
my shoe could have been bigger cuz i telegraphed some of the wall onto the extensions- just one corner- belt sanded it flat.
gonna refine tomorrow- handle on the block and something slippery for the face
anyway- the rig up i used looked like this
Is the material from Cox? If so, why wasn't it bought primed?
How about the casings on the curved-top windows. Did you pattern-mold them?
Did you see the sequence of pics on the Katz Gallery showing the curved window trim, in which the windows are rectangular but the wall curves? The pics showing the jack miters? Good stuff!
the only primed stuff cox has offered me is mdf and you know how it mushrooms at the fasteners.
the curved stuff matches the casing profile- i pointed the homeowner towards the supplier- use them, they make up nice stuff and you will only have to give up one of your children to pay for it.
haven't seen the katz gallery
adding a few shots
master bathroom windows and doors
master bedroom doors
did ya build all those heads as units ... then whack them into submission?
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
didn't start out doing it that way
but much like early man discovering fire
i have evolved
posted to that effect in another thread
"sometimes i fergit how dumb i am"
construction techniques folder
anyway three more days to vacation so of course i am off to work again-
my wife said
"are you going to work tomorrow?"
"are you going to be home my love?"
"yep."
"Then i am going to work..."
(she adores me and who can blame her.)
Like the bathroom with the tile up to the windows!
Did you do that to?
And is there any finger jointed wood left in the city your in, you've used a boat load of it on this house.
I tore some trim out of an old farm house that was built in 1890's or so and the casing is the same profile as the one your useing.
Doug
i didn't set the tile doug- i did lay it out- original plan had it run higher on the wall and the interior designers asked me what i thought.
me and my big mouth- lower it so the top of the accent piece lines up with the stool...
took about an hour each side to cope and file a good fit for the radius.
first thought was i would grind the ceramic down to fit the simple profile of the stool but the test pieces chipped out way too easy- so there you go.
painter stopped by- he is going to get started upstairs next week while i am away so we'll see how it all looks with a finish
Get pix's of the finish product!
yeah i interested to see the stuff with a finish on it. i'll post some shots .
meanwhile here's yesterdays work.
the very last door head installed
columns bondoed and ready to sand
and the first piece of breast work installed on the outer radius.
i see that i have lied. there are four more doors to trim but they are more elaborate.
lots of fun stuff to do when i get back from vacation...
ce' la vie
it's almost like yer dewalt drill is giving a guided tour .....
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
I like the arch on the door, did you make that too? Pole post in the middle of the room, isn't that just there until you finish the curve wall?
doors come with arches. i gotta wrap that post with a column.
couple more pics.
steam box setup, curved base and curved, breastwork
main doorway trimmed and firplace trimmed
shots of last few door trims and some of the stuff with finish
Great looking job! If you have the information, give us the products and technique used to finish the trim.
Looks like a spray job. How many coats of primer? What product? How many of finish? Product?
Airless or HVLP?
What's the idea of making the old guy do the low work?
No wonder he don't like U ....
The goofy looking wood looks to paint up great. Very nice finish look ....
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
Hubcap
Looks great, I've always liked painted woodwork.
Sure is a colorful house!
Doug
Lot of interesting profiles. I love that bathrom bookcase! Reader's Digests go at the top? Don't worry, we can fix that later!
well thanks guys.
to have my fellow sawdust suckers give me a thumbs up is huge.
sherwin williams paints and primers - BD
two coats primer, three coats finish, sanded between coats
painter is good if not better than good.
i really like the guy.
anywho-
next pics will be of the stair railing and parts.
that old guy is my dad .
he wants a piece of you jeff- nobody calls him old...
Brushed or sprayed? If sprayed, airless or HVLP?
airless-
painter says it is the best product he has ever used.
says it won't sag hardly and if it does he can wet sand it out- spot coat and nobody knows
i'll get the particulars
well the stair parts are finally in.
made my own shoe mold
guess i shoulda renamed the file while i was resizing.
oh well
box newels are all set
and miscellaneous mitres and other crap
Fixed price job?
The curves are intriguing. What was the radius, ply thicknesses, and wood species for the shoe mold part?
this part is hourly.
radius is 4 inches or so- i scribed it so not really certain.
clear red oak ripped to 3/32.
five plys
glued up and clamped over night.
these stairs are gonna be fun.
they were not built for this house- no lie -the installers used a chainsaw to hack parts off so they would fit.
i have a whole day reinforcing the lower third so it would stop squeaking.
Man, those stairs are interesting. You gotta keep the pictures coming Don't worry, we can fix that later!
few more shots
starter nosings are in
fitting rails
You are having fun there, aren't you?<G> A nosey question...did you make up the landing treads? Don't worry, we can fix that later!
naw i'm just fitting them.
fergot the camera today.
too bad- set the column around that post and fitted all the rails and screwed them in place
except the main stair rail-
spent three hours on it-
it is supposed to fit the stairs
oh well-
the predrilled holes - blah blah blah
they shortened the stairs on sight and the hand rail doesn't fit
so i will fix it
anyway- how about some pics of the finished door trims
Isn't it amazing what a good painter can do<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!
i love this painter
god- my work
let us say he has job security
whew, much prettier then that finger jointed wood ;)
seriously nice work.
only one problem dude, you got a big freakin hole in one of those doors *G*
ventilation-
often times i blow holes in doors for fresh air. it is necessary.
i am older and know many things.
thanks for the kind words
and now more
turn out after i sculpted it
site built fitting
last column
I like that site-built fitting, builder too cheap for an over easing?LOL Don't worry, we can fix that later!
The stair rail columns, is that your own design? Any chance of getting some dimensions, plans or even a quote to have 2 of them built & shipped to California?
Experienced, but still dangerous!
not mine-
cox interiors-
250 each
they ship anywhere.
if you can't find them e-mail me.
i can buy 'em and send them out.
probably i take your money and change my name
i lied
i would never ...
Thanks for the lead, I will chase them down. Great job, looks like a beautiful home.
Experienced, but still dangerous!
you are welcome.
stairs are stained.
i glued up the basement rail let it set overnight
and belt sanded it into shape
now it is installed.
still no pickets
so i'll work on the garage landings and railings.
pickets have arrived
so this is what they look like
Nice work! This one is a keeper and one for the record book. I have followed all your pics....just great work!
MES
and the railings are done!
i bought myself a beer...
thanks for the comments
one room left and i am on to the next project
this is the first home i have trimmed for anyone but me and i am fairly pleased
few more pics
3/4 of the way through a gourmet kitchen....so I also tipped a few this weekend!
MES
good on ya!
got pics?
this is the first home i have trimmed for anyone but me
Great! next one ... I'll be out .... and we'll be done in twice the time??
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
it is a good plan
i was thinking about that white smoke coming out of your van
it could be a gasket gone bad
or a cracked head
but i figure it means you are the new pope
i have never trimmed a house with his holiness
we shall raise our rates
in the name of the father...
does the pope sh!t in the woods?
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
you tell me
yur holiness
jeff buck... aka the pope of pughstown
yes.
that's why there's always an extra roll(or 3) of TP in the Jeep and the van .....
btw ...mid-size ziplock ... fits one roll of paper ... when ya squish the cardboard roll flat ....
zip's up nice and tight ...
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
believe it or not i am still working this same job.
down to the last room
here's some cabinet shots
nearly finished
maybe two more hours
hubcap, I've been following your thread......NICE work.......
Nice looking, as Pi said, been watching this for a while.
But, I'm going to need a bit more detail on the front of those built ins. I cant quit make out what you are doing to the fronts.
Dont go out of your way for photos, when you get back to work Monday will be soon enough. :)
Doug
thanks pi.
means a lot
dug
i'll try- it doesn't photo well
cab doors are rail and stile with a flat center
i screwed up and forgot the loss of width when running the rails
so everything glued up and take it out and it looks great ang lays flat and it's quarter short of workable
kee-rist you dumbsh!t
so now we gotta fix it and tie it in
so i ran the bullnose bead that transitions between the casing and head pieces at the door and windows,around the cabinet doors and son of a buck it looks good..
i'll try to post a good pic
bookcases are done
shoulda charged more
next time
Nice
We all should be charging more!!!
Now I can see the detail on the front.
Doug
hubs... all's well that ends well.. looks great !...
how come the last pics are titled "outerbanks" .. did i miss something ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
you didn't miss anything
i just hadn't deleted pics from vacation from the card so the file name is off
just like the ones that say france
i been on vacation three times since i started this house- how slow am i?
thirty days in the hole
plus
ain't bad work if you can get it.
thanks for the encouragement
rails are all up
everything is drilled
just a couple more
so i am ready to install the pickets
they were ordered sixty days ago
they finally are here
too bad they are wrong
install them upsidedown ....
the misorder will be harder to notice.
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
the square ones are wrong.
i'll put them in sideways
Hub
Its looking good!
Oh sure ...
U make himj work on his knees ...
and some how I'm the bad guy!
I tell ya.
Bet my Dad can ... uh ... sit and drink a beer with yer Dad and talk about his good fer nothin' son too ....
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
yer killin me
For clothes hanging, hangers on a rod, two walls meeting at an inside corner of a walk-in closet present a design challenge.
You have to think about clothes hanging on those rods, and how you have a "blind corner" situation the same as, but sort of different, when kitchen wall cabs meet at a corner. A trim carpenter might say, "let me think of a cool way to miter-join two wooden rods coming into the corner." Might look cool as woodwork, but is sort of useless, at least the end of one of the rods, as the corner is approached.
The wire shelf components folks sell a quarter-circle piece that goes into corners and gives a continuous wrap to the integral clotheshanger wire. Think about a way to do something like that in wood. Stop each rod back from the corner, and join a diagonal piece of the rod across the space, with 22.5s at each joint. Then figure a way to lend some support with some creative bracket building.
Or, you can forget about all that, and simply stop the rods back from each corner. Then do a little corner cab for the Mr and Mrs to use for tucking away stuff like shoe polish, etc. It'll look a little like a tall skinny lazy susan cab, the kind that has a single door on a 45 bridging the corner.
you are absolutely right- thought about that and suggested a corner cab for the next closet-no luck- here is how i made the corner
Well, that looks nice. Tell me again, how the fastening of the 45-diag cleats is handled into the wallstuds through the drywall. I cannot see any fastening in your pic.
And what is your shelf and nosing all about? Is it a 1x12 I see? What is the molding pattern for the front edge molding?
cleats are fastened with three inch screws pocketed (if you will )thru the back side. (All i did was clamp my kreg jig to the backside face and drill and screw and dog it tight.)
shelf is ripped mdf (pick a size) with a base cap glued and shot- i don't know the profile number, it matches the base .
shelf supports are same as the window apron only upside down-
i am a big fan of repetition
same elephants different day...
Edited 3/25/2004 9:20 pm ET by hubcap
Is this the job with enough built-ins to finance a new pickup?
Is the moulding FJ yellow poplar from someone like Cox?
I'm impressed with the piece for behind the tiolet, where the plumber has the water supply coming out, but as someone else said, I would have just used a plinth, or even just a diamond (rotated square) piece of 5/4, with its top let into the base. Hey, it's behind the toilet!
Are those cup hinges I am seeing used to hinge a window seat?
same job- wood is from cox- looked at a plinth and didn't like it- 5/4 diamond would have worked- didn't think of it- still - someones throne and all that- i like the look of what i did
yep those are cup hinges- the lid is just like a cabinet door only horizontal- had 'em in the truck and figured why not.