I confess. that’s me! I’m priming cedar shakes and in just over two bundles I’ve used over 4 gallons of primer.. about a gallon is on the ground, and maybe something less is on me..
since I’ll need to do 36 bundles I’m wondering am I wacko?
I want to prime all of the shingles and then give them a coat of paint before I put them up (since there isn’t enough tape in the world to cover everything I’d splatter on if I did it afterwards)
I’m also worried that it seems like most of the shakes are very green.. at least they peg the moisture meter.
any suggestions?
I started to dip them, but it takes too long for the excess paint to drip off.. then I dipped them and brushed the excess off with a paint brush. Brushing is evan slower, while the use of a rollar was considered, tried and rejected as slower still.
I built a rack to hold several bundles of shingles at one time each one on end to let them dry.. time consumming and very messy..
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You got a rack to hold several bundles? I'm guessing they lay flat, but if they stand on edge hows about you spray 'em
or build a rack to stand a ton of them up at a time if you have the space, hit them once on one side, then flip and hit the other.
No idea if this is feasable or even a good idea, just a thought
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professionals build the Titanic.
they do stand on edge but I'd have to spray them one at a time the way they are stacked. Besides
HMMM.... what if I took my skil saw with a wide blade in it and ripped the length of several boards. stacked them that way and sprayed.. Might work!
Cag,
tried spraying yesterday, slower, messier, and used far more paint..
oh well, like I said, just a thought...
good luck
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professionals build the Titanic.
Edited 5/25/2003 5:43:31 PM ET by CAG
In response to your painting problems, take a 2x4 and run a 1/8" kerf down the face about 5/8" deep. Put the shingles in the kerf with the thin edge facing down and about 2" between each shingle. Spray the faces with an airless and then use a 6" foam(black neoprene type) and use it to wipe roll out the faces and then the edges between the shingles. The airless is used only to get paint on the shingle. the roller evens out the finish. If it works, that's great, if not, It wasn't my idea
was thinking of doing someything similar, but found the time it took to put shingles in a groove to slow.. that plus I couldn't figure out the pressure/ distance thing.. too close and the shingles just blew off, to far and the pattern got too big.... (anybody looking for a good deal on a freshly painted wheelbarrow/ gabage can/ ladder/ and other asorted things?
don't make me come over there...
you buy factory dipped, it adds about $20/ box... now you know..
IF you insist on doing it yourself.. the consensus is..
you need a dipping trough... then you flip them onto a tarp pitched to drain into a bucket...
after they drip you hang them on a clothesline..
after they dry you rebox them
now you know why you buy factory dipped..
take them back and ask for the factory dipped
as to the finish coat.. they are done in placeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I looked everywhere and while several were willing to order them for me no-one had any.. big box, small yard.. no place!
The paintin' won't get done in place (see worlds worst painter). I really don't want paint splatters on the walnut..
I'll use a roller and rack each one when finished.. that way the paint will stay on the tarps etc.. I shouldn't have to spend too much time cleaning paint off the black walnut..
You are going to have some serious problems if you continue to paint wet shingles/shakes or whatever you are doing. Any of the pre-finished products are kiln dried first.
I could continue with problems like the added psychological damage and trauma you will endure painting, but you really need to come up with another plan. Just use what you have painted for starter courses.
Please, I'm begging you. You are already so whacko I'll never catch up.
Lay them out and spray them, just a faint fog coat that you can see through. You are applying way too much primer. Primer is not intended to be thick. A thick primer coat is actually the beginning of a failed finish, not the start of a good finish. After this coat dries (you might not even be able to see it) the next coat will stand right on top, with far better coverage.
Jon Tobey, Author of "Spray Everything"
I think the classic method for green shingles is to dip them in spray-viscosity primer, tap off the excess, and then just randomly throw them onto an old painter's tarp.
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
How do figure that you are the world's worst painter? That's my title. Not giving it up.
Want me to prove it? Get another couple of drums of liquid of your choice. Hand me the brush and UNTAO. [Un A$$ The Area of Operations]
Special note - Make sure you have enough of liability insurance to satisfy the nieghborhood.
Now there you go again,.... <G>
anyone can deliberatly make a mess.. It takes a real master to attempt neatness and fail so miserable.
;-)
That's me.
Try so hard to do a great job and devastation just happens some how.
Are you sure you want to know about the HO's toy poodle and the 5 gallons of
Saffire Blue.
We did this last summer on our new home. We needed about 15 bundles prestained for gable ends. Tried various ideas, but the best was rolling stain on shingle face, bottom and edges. Set up a plywood work table for stain pan and work surface. We wore leather gloves to keep some of the stain off our hands as you need to handle them wet. It really takes someone staining and another placing the shingles to dry-we put them on a new graveled area of the driveway. We did have quite a few wet shingles, but didn't seem to have a problem.
After they dried we packed them on end in carboard boxes that would hold about 1 bundle so they could be carried easily up a ladder to the scaffolding.
The kid that helped me do this says it was the worst job on the house. It is very boring and does require alot of time, but I do like the various tones on the shingles and really liked not having to paint 30' off the ground! We used Cabot semi-transparent stain. The stain supply gets used up quickly and the unstained shingle supply seems to grow!
Good luck,
Bob
That's why you have kids... to do the boring, tedious, unrewarding, brain dead jobs :0)
You friends with my parents???, that was their line all the time when I was younger, and still gets used todayNever be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professionals build the Titanic.
three words,
teen age rs
I offered ten dollars (cash) an hour to the oldest. she works for seven something as a check out girl at the local supermarket. I got about ten minutes of work (that took her twenty five with interuptions for phone calls to friends) and nothing since.
How about caulking 7) 8' panel joints and mask 1 door and 4 windows(I helped with 1 1/2 windows) Thats all he completed yesterday. He doesn't understand why I was frustrated(pissed off). He'll be 18 in Sept. I don't think he'll be leaving home too soon.
Sounds familar,
my 120 pound newfoundland came up to me tail wagging and left after I ignored him.. luckily the ground is covered with wood shavings and most of it wipped off before he entered the house.. what remains is on the sub floor so no real damage done..
tell the story about the blue poodle will you? pictures are optional but I'm dying to see..
This toy poodle is wired and high strung and then some. Friendly little critter though.
The dog was taught to jump up into your arms. The HO comes home and lets the dog into the work site.
Zing... Jump.... Step aside [hands are full]....... SPLASH!!! Right into the 5 gallons of Sapphire Blue paint. Then there is this explosion of dog, paint and general pandamonium.
The dog then shifts to warp 12. Starts running every where. Runs into and ricochets off of every thing. Over the tops of furniture.... Zooming at break neck speed... Nothing is safe. Lamps, pictures, vases and what ever is on the tables is now finding it's way to the floor. The dog even came back thru for a reload of paint several times. So much for the formal dining and living rooms. Major plush carpet. And we weren't working in either of those rooms
The HO tries to catch the dog... Steps in the paint... At this point picture the franic fancy foot work and flaying arms in the effort to stay up right.. That wasn't about to happen. Down she goes taking two step ladders with her and adding a gallon of much darker trim blue to the mess with a huge splash. The 8' ladder takes out one of the 4/0 - 7/0 24 lite brand new french doors. The other ladder goes for one upmanship and does a number on zillion year old lead glass window that I had just finished installing.
Three rooms trashed. The dog says enough of this.. and heads upstairs with the freshly dipped in paint HO right behind it. My helper, the actual painter, sits down in all this mess and she starts to cry.
I don't think a room, person or a piece of furniture in that house survived the Sapphire Blue Paint Masscare.
The lady's husband almost has a heart attack from laughing so hard. Latter he is found sitting at the kitchen table plastered in paint, LHAO and having a beer.
Stuff like this happens if I get too close to paint. Me and paint just don't along together well. Learned to be gun shy. I wasn't doing any of the painting.
Edited 5/25/2003 8:06:15 PM ET by IMERC
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I dip, brush off the excess, then hang from a clothesline till dry. Leave the top inch or two untreated where the clothespins go. Tedious, but it works. With rope going all over the yard from tree to tree it looks cool, too, like something that guy Christo might do, only in miniature. :-)
Bear
Buy a $15 plastic kiddie pool....fill it with your primer from a five gallon bucket......toss one shingle in at a time....stir with a witches spoon and pull em out with a plastic glove on yer hand....wipe with a wide brush...
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I simply pulled the lid off the five gallon bucket, dipped 'em, wiped 'em, and stacked on a rack, two days later they are still wet.
There is about a gallon or so of paint that dripped off on the tarp on the ground and I have most of the paint on me washed off after two hot showers and three long soaking baths..
I did slightly over two bundles of the 36 that will be needed..
That's just the primer....
Inside a room with a dehumidifier then
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Migraine is using a similar technique to mine. I started with airless spraying long ago, but got tired of painting my hand too. Utility knife to cardboard box let me stand up a batch narrow end into the slits. Then spray thoroughly; butt, two sides & the flat before going to the back (as they lean a bit). Looked like a wreck with enough boxes to do a whole bundle, though. Also, the cardboard slots wallowed out after a while. Dilemma. Was shopping for other items and saw a great deal on pallets. Bought enough cheap pallets to serve my needs, but while driving home had a mental image of the pallets. Next prime-all-sides project, I get a batch of pallets, and disassemble one side. I rebuild the one side with very narrow spaces (around 1/8"). Now, the shingles can be tapped into the gaps, and "hold" a fairly consistent exposure. Even better, the pallets can be tipped to a convenient angle for painting. Afterwards, the pallets can be stood on edge with some rebar or 2x scraps, making for a neater job site. (With the pallets on edge, there's a nice surface to land the corner boards & the like that also wants priming . . . )
Large (110 pound puppy) black dog, wet white paint dripping onto tarp under shingles. dog comes up behind me and lies down on the tarp..
you do the math..
Oh and for added fun it's oil based not latex....
(110 pound puppy) black dog, wet white paint dripping
Going to be hard to explain that aliens came by and transmogrified the puppy into an inverse Dalmatian . . . :)
That was part of my pallet scheme, the pallets can go on a tarp behind roll fencing. (Put a sign that says "Dry Paint" for grown ups, and "Brussels Sprouts" or "Broccoli" or "Turnips' for smaller types on the fence.)
Was more chiming in that Migraine was on the right track--spraying is much better than dipping. I'm going to guess that we'd both agree that dog hair does not a good paint admixture make :) (neither, cat, raccon, emu, or mole, either, for that matter . . . )
Buddy, our black dog (who's mommy was a st. bernard and daddy was a visiting newfoundland..)is small compared to his predicesor. a 150 St. Bernard
But buddies energy level reminds me of a two year old on a sugar high. he loves to get on his back to legs and look down at you kinda reminding you that he's the Alfa Dog..
I plan on using an airless sprayer to do the varnish on the beams inside, but when I tried it on shingles they went flying and so did the paint.. add the time it takes to set the shingles into the groves and you understand my reluctance to retry spraying. Dipping on the other hand and flinging them onto a tarp sounds like enough fun that I might be able to do a Tom Sawyer with my youngest daughter.. dress her in disposable clothes and ....
Go for it -- My youngest daughter did a Tom Sawyer on one of her friends, and together the two girls primered the interior side of about half the new sash for the house. They had a great time doing that while I was upstairs primering jambs.
-- J.S.
on shingles they went flying and so did the paint..
Oh. The "fog" or "mist" technique is what they teach at painter's college <grin>
Or, you could do like my maternal grandfather did, 1/4" staple the shingles to 2x3, then spray (he was using a pure air HP system, too; formerly from the Dodge factory paint shop, no less--do not try to tell a 20 year Machinist's Mate Chief that he can not work out something as simple as "a paint sprayer" . . . ) Basement sure looked good afterwards, the white primer really brightened up the floors, the walls, the windows, the boiler . . .
Airless is spraying nothing but paint, so the adjustments can be critical.
For large alpha dog, a trip down to the butcher's for some beef shin bones can reassert your position as provider-Of-Food, and also be entertaining for the big puppy. (Do know of a painter who has but vinegar in the paint (water-based) to help keep the family livestock away. The last job has only been up 5 months, but the porch (first try) is going on 16-17 months now without deterioration.