Wow! Seasoned firewood! Tried a new firewood guy this year. He had a listing on Craig’s list.
#1, he knew that what he was delivering was a ‘face cord’ not a ‘half cord’
#2, he knows what seasoned wood is
#3, his prices were comparable to everyone else’s ($85 delivered and stacked) hereabouts
#4, nice mix of seasoned wood: hedge, mulberry, locust, cherry, elm, hackberry, etc.
#5, his 15-18″ pieces were really 15-18″!
#6, he showed up when he said he would
I got so excited I called him again and had him deliver another load over the weekend. Now I’m wondering if I can find somewhere else to stack some wood and get a third load from him. With what I started with, that would get me through the heating season.
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Oh, and when he heard that some of my existing wood was a bit long for my wood stove, he whipped out a chainsaw and cut them down to size for no charge.
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I don't burn wood anymore, wish I did, and I will again when I get back to NH, BUT, is what you are showing in that picture what you paid $85 for? To me, a cord is 4' X 4' X 8', at least that is the way we measured in NH....
He stated it is a FACE cord, which is 4x8 x one log deep..I take it as about 16" so that is a 1/3 cord.
Pricey campared to what I get here..as much as my F350 can haul with side on the bed..for 50 bucks. I get just a bit under a full cord, but I go there ( 10 miles @ 7 MPG) and load ( about 1/2 hour) and unload ( as needed, to fill the pile by the door)..so with labor and fuel..and him being in the "city"..not too bad I guess.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I saw the face cord, but in order to get some idea of value, the length of the wood is important, and at $255 a cord, there is a decent profit margin figured into that, I just shudder at a price like that, the first 25 years I heated with wood, I only bought wood the last three years, and luckily, I will have enough wood on my property to carry me through the rest of my lifetime, as soon as I can get back there. $85 for 1/3 cord is outrageous to me, but I guess it depends on where you live.
Oh I agree..I hear some guys here and up in Lexington city limits can get 175-200 a cord without much problem. I am letting most of my wood alone on my property for now..mostly locust. As long as I can get cheap and split..why kill myself?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Nothing like wood heat though, as long as you have a way to humidify the air. I miss it, especially with the prices of oil.......the house is a lot cooler than I would like now...I was used to coming in from working outside and being in shorts the rest of the night, now even the dog is trying to steal the covers...:-)
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We are in the same boat as you.It helps a little to have lots of house plants and a small indoor fountain or two. Of course you still have to water the plants and fill the fountains. : )
ad in the paper here for seasoned dry oak, 300$ a cord delivered.
Yow~!
Most get a couple hundred bucks for a cord of hardwood delivered, and then is it really a cord? Not often.
I'm always dissapointed when I buy it.
Always 'stoked' when I go get it myself.
Last year we burned almost 4 cord of hot, dry white oak that I collected myself. Same tree yielded 350bdft of of clear quartersawn I have yet to do anything with...
First time I've ever seen an 18-wheel firewood stack.
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I used to work for a bicycle manuf. After I went off on my own I sometimes put together wheels for them--of spokes, rims and hubs for bike credit.
I was gonna say, I bet that pile doesn't burn too efficiently
Wheel building is a true art.
That picture sure represents some patience, skill and effort.
I had it down to a science with those--they're tandem wheels. Spoke lengths are the same in the rear--no dish to the wheel as the rim is centered btw 145mm axle spacing.
I would lace the wheel by hand as usual, then start tensioning it with a little impact driver. Then bring it true/round/dished with spoke wrench. Then, to 'pre stress' the wheel, settle all the spoke heads into the hub and rim, I built a hollow box, placed the wheel over it and actually STOOD on the wheel in a circular motion around the hub. Then re tension/true/dish/round. The result being wheels that did not lose tension or true when ridden those first 100's of miles in a tandem.
At the shop we had built a pneumatically operated unit for the same purpose, that measures the force placed on the wheel, pressing into the hollow box at the hub.
I could build about 3 an hour. Another guy who had built wheels for the same outfit estimated he had built well over 10,000 wheels for them only.
Pretty cool!
I've built a dozen or so. All old school, screwdriver and spoke wrench. Nothing fancy just three cross 32 or 36 spoke mountainbike
wheels.
I was getting fairly good at it until I figured out how to not wreck my bike every time I went out!
building wheels, and the guts of a Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub. That used to be the test of a bicycle mechanic...
let me guess... 5 inches of supension front and rear?
does wonders for the rims....
No, old school Bridgestone MB5.
No Suspension other them my arms and legs. That might have had something to do with it also... More likely young testosterone.
Frenchy i built my own fireplace from instructions in a diys book years ago
as for wood supply i get all mine from skid building place down the road for free ( beat that ) it is nearly all hardwood , nice and clean enough that i have met women there loading it into vehicles wearing dresses on their way home from work
a maple went down in my yard this summer and i had to deliver to get rid of it *(2' dia. )
nothing like cherry , maple or oak thats free to make a fireplace feel better
another thing about skid wood no bark = no bugs very few ashes , clean once a year
Nice stack ( can we say that here?) oak is pretty good heating.
I like the variety of woods we have available, seems to me when I get into a vein of one species for a long time, I don't get as much heat..maybe just me. sassafras, sycamore, locust, ash and hickory..osage , hackberry, bradford pear..man, a salad in the stove really cooks.
I know Johns stack there of a a face cord like that might last me a week if its good and chilly, like 40 high and 20 low. We're still goin thru a wheel barrow load a day or sometimes two. Oddly we just had a wet, warm up and the fire is OUT for a day.
First wintr in the house I was struggleing to keep 10 above the outside average. Second year 20 above, and third year..30 above..Now what ?year 5? I can get it up to 68 if it's 5 outside, but thats working it..LOL This place has been a challenge to say the least. BUt my efforts have worked apparently. It STILL is 24oo SQFT and not laid out well for heat distribution.
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"$85 for 1/3 cord is outrageous to me"
I dunno. Labor to cut, split, load, deliver, unload and stack that much wood -- not to mention the value of the wood, which is probably the smallest part of the deal? Not sure I'd wanna do it for any less if I was trying to make half a living.
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I see a guy that can afford to turn up the dial....;-)
Depends on which dial you're talking about. LOL
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Upstate NY paying about 210-225 for a full cord of seasoned, if you can find it. Unseasoned I got for about 180 a cord, delivered, not stacked.
Just called my son up in NH, he heats with wood and buys all of it. His last load for 2 year seasoned wood was $140 per full cord. All oak, maple and beech, no birch or pine. He said last year he was paying $120 and this is cut to your length, split and delivered, all he has to do is stack and cover it.
A friend of mine paid $500 for a "two cord load" of pine delivered to his house above Boulder, CO. I looked at it. It was only partly split and I'd have called it at best a cord and a half. That puts the price spread in some perspective, huh?I still cut my own wood and last year I cut enough for at least five years. Insurance of a sort. I'd hate to pay those prices for wood, but I also wouldn't want to cut, split, and deliver a cord for $140!I'm guessing that in New England most folks don't go far to cut wood. Where I live it's anywhere from 50 to 100 miles round trip to cut the wood I prefer. I could get pinion pine closer, but I don't like it.
You are right, most people in New England don't have to go far at all, in fact, the first 5 years or so that I heated with wood, it all came from my property, and that wa just selective cutting, but I can say that 25 years worth of wood came from within 2 miles of my home.
I used to burn 4 cords or so a year when living in Maryland. Back in the early 90's our firewood man was from WV and worked at a sawmill. We paid 140.00 for a 6 wheeled stake bed load of cut-offs of RR cross ties delivered and dumped. About 2 cords.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
outrageous?!I guess it depends whether you are paying it out or the guy cutting, splitting, delivering and stacking fo only that much
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I did it for myself and the in-laws for 22 years, I know the work, I know that $150 a cord is about the ceiling to where it doesn't become worth it, with the extra work involved. Like was stated, if you are in an area that has short supply, I guess you pay, my son was able to buy 8 cord at the $140 price, and that is cut split and delivered. I think at $220 I would be pulling a Mike and turn the knob.
Yeah, but if your buying 8 full cords you ought to be
getting a deal any how.
That's enough to make it worth the wood guy's while.
Does anyone know how many BTU's are in a cord of wood, assuming good quality dry wood and a reasonably efficient wood stove?
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Ok, I actually saw that right after I made the post (the wonder of Google, huh?).What is the efficiency factor of a "reasonably efficient" wood stove? I know for gas furnace you're in the 80-93% range. Is wood 50%? 90%?
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You'd be doing well at around 70% or so.
That depends on the type of wood and how dense it has grown.
Also, the moisture content of your particular sample will determine how hot vs. long the sample will burn. It's amazing how much this latter variable affects the fire put out by any particular batch. For example, when I'm cooking in the wood-fired oven, I use wood that has been "coked" -- tossed into the oven at the end of the previous use, where it dries to almost 0% moisture content. It'll burn about twice as fast, and way hotter, than the same "seasoned" wood. I'm talkin' logs that burn like kindling. Of course, there is no increase in total BTUs, just that they are released faster and more efficiently since there's no steam to contend with.
You can look here for a general guideline.
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/W/AE_wood_heat_value_BTU.html
There was also a thread here a while back on the "best" firewood, IIRC.
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well said Mike.. anybody who's worked with large timbers knows that they don't dry in a yrear or 2. It can take over a decade for large timbers to fully dry out and that means anywhere up to10% moisture. In really damp locations it may never dry out completely.
Talk about "coking" wood..LOL
I once turned a Dogwood carving mallet, green, on the lathe. I read somewherre about fast drying in the microwave, I thought I read that you do 10 mins on, 10 mins off a few times.
I was down in the basement Micro in the kit upstairs..I put it in and hit 10mins..went back down to work...heard the "ding" and waited 10 , and went back up..and repeated.
After a few I smelled something REALLY bad..I ran up and the house was FILLED with white , acrid, eye watering smoke..the cats were almost dead. Man I freaked..I opened the Micro and there was the mallet..just FINE..WTF? So I grabbed it, and it collapesed, it was all embers inside..hollow. And REALLY DAMM HOT>.so I open the door and threw it in the snow outside..
I opened the house ( the wife was at work) and aired out as best I could, gave the 3 cats CPR, and tossed them in the snow, all to no avail..the curtains were ruined from the smell, the house was horrid.
THEN THE WIFE CAME HOME...Rutt-Roh....she went ballistic * might have something to do why we got divorced*...
I read the mag article again..it said ONE minute on, ONE minut off..TEN times...Whooops.
Oh, the Micro was ruined too..everytime ya used it, it smelled like charred dogwood.
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RIP for the cats...
That there is funny!
Oh, they lived..just smoke inhalation. Thats why I tossed em outdoors..it was way cold and the house was closed up tight.
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LOL -- I did that once with a piece of chicken. I think I must have accidently hit 30 minutes instead of 3, and went to take a quick shower. When I got back, I noticed the funny smell, but the chicken looked OK -- until I took it out. The skin was sorta normal looking but the insides were basically black tar. Yum!
Oven was OK, tho', which is good 'cause it was somebody else's -- in a house I was house sitting at the time.
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Does anyone know how many BTU's are in a cord of wood, assuming good quality dry wood and a reasonably efficient wood stove?
My favorite firewood PDF is attached. One page shows the BTU per cord of specific species of tree. A fair amount of my first load was hedge (osage orange).
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a couple million for dry hardwood.The efficiency of the stove tells you how many BTUs you get out of it to heat the house, not how many BTUs are in the wood
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I guess it depends whether you are paying it out or the guy cutting, splitting, delivering and stacking fo only that much
Wasn't there some politician who defined a "living wage" as depending on whether you were paying it or receiving it?
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$85 for 1/3 cord is outrageous to me, but I guess it depends on where you live.
If I had a truck and some free time, I could avoid paying for the firewood (don't have either one right now). If you keep your eyes open, there is always free wood available. Whether that means a neighbor with a downed tree, or like a guy I know did... he let a tree trimmer service dump on his property. After a few weeks he had to call them back and ask that they stop because he had so much.jt8
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John,
Here in PA, you can get a permit to cut "dead and down" wood in the State Forests for $10 per cord, I use wood for camping and cut all I need for a season in a day or two. If I could heat with wood, I would go that route here, as I have the truck. Still though, that price really shocked me.
Lots of good, thought provoking ideas on this thread though.
Where you at in the "Keystone state" brother? I was born and poorly raised in the SE quadrant.
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I am in the center of the state, State College area, I am a New Hampshirite temporarily exiled in PA. Been here since '01 and have been trying to make it back home ever since. I have a nice piece of property ( 4 acres ) in North Haverhill NH that we are developing to move back in the next two years.
You are right, that is the NH state motto.
Cool. I have an uncle that taught at PSU, lived next to the big Kittatinny mountain back then..when it burnt. LOL
Just keeping the wood thread alive.
If I leave KY, NH was a consid..as was Canadien maritimes, or Montana..I kinda like the VT/NH thing, but damm..it's still USA.
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That is funny, I thought if I ever became one of those people that don't like winter, Kentucky was on my list, LOL, I still enjoy the winter though and everything that goes along with it.....as long as I have enough wood stacked and ready....
NH is changing unfortunately, it used to be that they were so independant that when the Feds threatened to take their highway funds back if we didn't fall in line with the rest of the country, ( helmet law and seatbelts) NH told the Feds to stick their highway funds where the sun don't shine, no one told us how to operate our state. Now it seems like there is less of those type of people left in the statehouse, but that ideal is alive and well in the countryside.
Lots of good, thought provoking ideas on this thread though.
My Napoleon 1400 is EPA approved. When it is up to temp, you can't even tell by looking at the chimney that there is a fire going... unless you've got a really good eye and spot the heat coming out. Burns very clean. Only smokes when I'm starting up or if I put a bunch of fresh wood on. An added benefit is that it was made in Canada, not China.
I end up handling the firewood multiple times, but very little effort involved. I load the wheelbarrow from the outside racks, wheel it into the garage. I've got a rack that I put on a furniture dolly that I load up and wheel right into the LR. So I'm not carrying the stuff in an armload at a time (which gets old in a hurry).
My stove has an ash pan. I turn a handle and a trap door opens up and dumps the ash from the firebox into the pan (sometimes with a little urging from the poker). No ash spilling into the room. No shoveling ash. I slide the pan-drawer out, carry it outside and dump it on the summer burn pile spot in the yard.
The only 'hassle' for me is finding wood. And that would be less so if I picked up an old beater truck and would plan about a year ahead of time. Your $10/cord wood would eliminate that hassle.
LOL, not that I'm trying to put ideas in your head. ;)
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)..so with labor and fuel..and him being in the "city"..not too bad I guess
And I'm truckless right now.
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BUT, is what you are showing in that picture what you paid $85 for? To me, a cord is 4' X 4' X 8', at least that is the way we measured in NH....
I bought a 'face cord', not a full cord. You are correct, a full cord is 4x4x8. A half cord is 4x2x8. A face cord is 4xlength of piecesx8. In my case, I'm using 15-18" pieces, so it probably comes out to 1/3 of a cord.
So $85 to have 1/3 of a cord delivered and stacked. The going rate hereabouts is $80-113. jt8
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Should I tell you I buy a cord for $20. at the sawmill? Whatever wood type I want.(I take a lot of Cherry because I like how it smells when burning and glows green when it's embers) I also have wood that is debarked because the bark makes most of the ashes so if I get debarked I clean the fireplace once a year!
The trick is to buy slab wood and cut it to the length you like. I've gotten oak, maple, black walnut, etc.. for the same $20.00 the thin part makes wonderful fire starters the butt ends of the logs make wonderful chunks..
cherry is a medium firewood. More like walnut or hackberry. If I had your deal available here, I would try for a mix of woods. Some medium and some with a bit more oomph like oak, hickory, hedge, etc.
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I've been picking thru my guy's pile , and avoiding too much Cherry and Walnut..both seem as you say, medium. And I'd never want a pile of just slab wood, it's all Cambium, and not near as dense as the log center.
With the way we go thru wood, every cubic inch has to be the best I can get. I do have a heap ( like 10 cords) of the aromatic cedar slabs..they are great for kindling..the stringy bark makes for a quick light and some of them are pretty dang hefty with the "knees" of the tree..problem is, when it's full blown burning season, I don't need kindling, we never shut down far enough to restart from scratch. I'll pull ashes with hot coals when the stove gets full, into a metal 5 gal. and dump out in the ash pile.
I'd go get a pic of the truck load I have now ( if it wasn't raining and nasty) but I'd not want to make ya feel bad..LOL
I also hooked up with a tree guy like you mentioned, he is a little higher price wise ( he delivers from Lex, 25 miles or so..) and it's all been in a barn for a few yrs..but that stuff is TOO dry and TOO good, it'll cook us out if not mixed with some wetter ( not green) wood. Dogwood burns like coal when aged..really, it's incredible.
I think like H.D. Thoreau, it's a zen like exp. heating when you make it an observation and exercise in frugality..but by gad, come Apr. I want out, and I want a thermostat connected to something that does not require my undivided attn and physical prowess..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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If you didn't have such affordable wood in your area, I'd say you could benefit from a more efficient stove. But it is a waste of $$ at your wood prices.
I've been picking thru my guy's pile , and avoiding too much Cherry and Walnut..both seem as you say, medium
I like the mediums to get the fire going. I'm burning wood at my project house, so might go more than 24 hrs between stoking. Under 12 hours and I can probably just keep it going with the coals.
Were you the one that used the phrase 'fruit salad' to describe a mix of wood giving the best fire? I think so too.
I also hooked up with a tree guy like you mentioned, he is a little higher price wise
The guy I mentioned who hooked up with the tree trimmer wasn't PAYING. He was giving the guy a place to dump his excess and the guy was happy to be able to do so for free. Granted, it was all green and in large chunks, but free is free! LOL, the receipient had used his draft horses to drag some rather large rounds to a bonfire for a monster weenie roast that October. Pretty bad when you can't get within 20' of the fire :)
I'd go get a pic of the truck load I have now ( if it wasn't raining and nasty) but I'd not want to make ya feel bad..LOL
yeah..yeah...yeah, and you probably have a lot of oak and hickory down there too. Probably doesn't even get real cold. You southerners don't know what cold is... although compared to the temps IMERC has been mentioning, I guess I don't know what cold is either.
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it's been -24 thru +72 and everything in between in the last week or so with two snow storms... one with high winds that put the WC down around -85....
go figure.....
the higher elevevation here is most of the cause for the cold....
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oak is boring, I don't like the slightly acrid smell when it burns, Black walnut doesn't do a thing for me when it burns. Hackberry burns a lot like elm (poorly and slow) maple generates a lot of heat and a softly pleasant smell, Hickory "pops" too much for my taste. etc.. when you burn 10 to 15 cord a winter in your fireplace you get to be quite a wood snob.
There is the MAJOR factor in choosing wood..yer burning in a fireplace with lots of "Top Air"..in a stove, even my barrel kit, top air is a waste of O2...it combines with the smoke/gases and heads right up the flue. Bottom air feed excites the embers and causes more complete combustion of the gasses, due to the higher temps and more concentrated flow of air thru the "eyes" or intakes..
Fire places are great..Rumsford's especially for radiating to a facing room, but then again, a closed FP with bottom air, will heat much better, but you run the chance of breaking the glass.
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Doowane, just was thinking about you today while working on an est. to build a Fireplace for a , fortunate fellow here in the land of the three teeth.
His modern triple walled flue pipe somehow corroded and leaked hot gases into his wooden chimney chase.thus causing a housefire, but luckley he was home and put it out himself only losing the chase and the area / backwall of the woodstove plus a potload of smoke damage to the rest of the house. He has specified he wants a Rumford Fireplace , and I checked out the prices for the Rumford "kits" from Superior Clay, well anyway I reckon I get to see him do the outlandesh estamate dance in a few days , you know the one where the prospected customer grbs his chest with one hand and acts like he sat on a hot poker with the other one ---I love it when they do that--oh well if I can't get any business by being fair with them and offering to do a good job, heck I might as well have some fun with them. D.W.
Man, I HATE to hear stuff like that. I have a Stainless Double wall in my chase. Scary stuff right there.
I think I'll be poking my head around there and havin a looksee..I got one of them laser temperture toys and I have "shot" the pipe at various places, even stoked up and really cooking hot, the temp of the single wall up by the support box, was only 155*..that is 15' or so above the second barrel heat exchanger.
I still want to get the stone work back in, but man..$$$$$ , I need to hit the lotto.
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Did you actually SEE corrosion evidence? This is a new one to me, but what I have seen too often is where a chimney fire has superheated the SS inner wall while the suction of the VOOSH updraft collapses it totally or partially. People have a chimney fire and fail to know it or to inspect the chimney after wards and replace it. Then a later event is what your client sees happen.
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The only thing I saw was rusted corroded pieces of the flu pipe and the burnt aftermath. I was told this by the owner, and the G.C. who had contacted me, "of course , something may have been lost in translation."But the G.C.who deals and meets with the Ins. adjusters was also of the same opinion.
I personally have only seen one failure of triple walled flu before this and that was when someone had installed a natural gas set of fireplace logs into "DIY"a existing stainless flu that had been used for a woodstove, but the acidic gases from natural gas reacted with the type of stainless that was rated for woodstoves only.
I do know that different types of stainless flu liners are rated for what type of appliance one would be using Woodheat--Coal-- natural gas.I will have to look them up to be sure though.
People have a chimney fire and fail to know it or to inspect the chimney after wards and replace it. Then a later event is what your client sees happen.
So you're saying it ain't supposed to sound like frying bacon in the chimney? Thought that was just ambiance.
;)
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about 2 PM today fire trucks out of Roann started flying by, driving south on the countyline - I'd just gotten dad's furnace running and was all bundled and had a warm car, so after the fourth unit passed I decide to check it out -
south two miles and I could smell/see smoke pushed along with the 35 mph west wind, and then one mile west - got to the famous 'llama' corner (http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=100530.18) - the Denver fire dept was setting up there to fill tanks out of the pond - on beyond the intersection I could see an ambulance pulling out of a drive, a couple of firetrucks along the road and one lumbering back to a big four square farmhouse - back a long lane, it's been rented and declining for years -
couldn't get a view of it directly, and wouldn't get in the way, I turned north and followed Paw Paw Pike as it jogged and backed into Harvey's driveway to observe what I could from a half mile away thru the woods - could see the smoke and then some licks of flame from up high -real bad -
I'd wager that the unfortunates living there were trying to keep the cold out of that big old barn of a house and overstressed whatever heating source they were using - what a miserable day to fight a fire 0*F with high winds -
after a few minutes I drove on home, meeting two more fire units from Noble twnshp - volunteers all, out under terrible conditions -
here's a pict - you might just be able to make out a bit of flame -
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Hope no one was hurt. And assuming no one was hurt, hope everyone involved had insurance.
Gotta give those volunteer firepeople a lot of credit. They're better than the post office when it comes to showing up no matter how foul the weather. Hard to fight fires via tanker trucks.
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As I was sitting watching the wood stove fire yesterday... drinking a beer and puffing a cigar, I had an idea:
Instead of that ugly, black stove pipe jutting up out of the stove.... if I only knew some artsy type person, they could make a twisting vine...decorative..maybe with leaves and birds in it.. .out of copper or some such that would wrap around the stove pipe, corkscrewing up to the ceiling. It sticks to the pipe via friction or maybe a few hidden magnets.
It would look nice and cover up the ugly stove pipe. and maybe even help extract a few more btu's from the stove (remember those corrugated steel strips that they used to sell to wrap around the stove pipes?)
Ever hear of anyone decorating their pipe like that?
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Look for something called a "stovepipe sham".
Look for something called a "stovepipe sham".
Knew there had to be something similar out there, thanks for the terminology.
Instead of wraping around, this one looks more like it clamps on or such. Wheeew! $123 for 24"!
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There used to be porcelain coated pipe in vivid bright colours to match certain brands of stove long time ago. Those could be decorated with other heat paints,
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Yikes, thats always a scare.
Well, last night we were all set for a snap of cold, plenty of wood inside, dogs iside..water dripping. and at about 10 o'clock..whump Power off. Saw a flash that seemed to be down the road, not my transformer to the west.
Felt the need to call Poco, just in case..and I smelled the burnt out whatever. Lit candles, got dressed, got all the flashlights( they ALL worked!) and waited till I heard the crew drive by. They went to next door, ( old lady, no wood heat, just a gas furnace) and then came up my drive..spot light on the wires. They can't get to my xformer from my yard..too much..uh..stuff in the yard.
Then they backed out and went UP the opposite way to the next xformer ( I guess thats where they kill the live juice) and then back down here....back to where I saw the flash.
6 hours later ( poor SOB in that bucket truck musta FROZE) we had power back. Now what I'm getting at is it was 5 outside and 67 inside, just wood and two oil filled rad. space heaters..when the power went out we dropped to maybe 62 , I have a fan pushing the woodstove heat toward the thermo. It ain't REALLY that warm all over but I like seeing the numbers..LOL
Fed about a wheelbarrow load at over that 6 hours, and still awoke to 3 out and 47 inside. Right now it's 6 and 58..man if we had no wood heat, like lady nextdoor, it'd a been a rough night..it is well worth all the dirt , labor and trouble. don't think I'd ever want a home without a wood burner.
Oh, and city water, cuz we can let it drip all night and no well pump to freeze up when the power drops out...I keep tellin the DW, "See? We're doing GOOD" LOL
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Rumford He11, go all out and build him a masonry heater. If you're going to give him sticker shock you might as well do it for a superior product :)
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People like the look of an open roaring fire and dislike the look of masonary heaters. I'll grant you they are more efficent. But the romance of a roaring fire is impossible to ignore.
Which is why there are so many energy gobbling fireplaces out there.
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I agree, I love a wood fire in the fireplace, but only burn spring and fall. We use the gas one in the winter. Pretty good atmosphere and pretty efficient, but not as nice to look at as the wood fire.
There sure is a big difference between wood types when you are comparing woodstove fuel versus wood for the fireplace.
please help me with my index to keep all your stories straight old man.Is this the same mill that is closed down or a different one? you had spoken of a mill that would sell you walnut for .17 a bd ft, but when somebody else wanted to buy there, it turned out that it was not in operationAnd is this cord the one you claimed you could fit in the bed of your pickup truck, or a real full cord?most mills anywhere that have an excess of slabs and don't burn it themselves will sell if for 20-25 bucks a PU load, but that ain't near a cord of wood
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Piffin,Now I understand why you support the republican party. Attention to the facts isn't your strong suit.< Grin>
Let me correct some of your mistakes .
First Johnson Bros logging has been in business for generations. It's only been a couple of couple of months since I last talked to them so you clearly have your facts wrong..
You also have the facts wrong about prices.. I bought most of my black walnut at 17cents a bd.ft. at a time when there was no market for darker woods and they were forced to sell it to pallet mills which only pay 17 cents a bd.ft. for hardwood. That was in 1998/99 which if you recall the trend was towards blonde woods like maple and birch etc.
By 2005 I got my last of the black walnut and that was at $1.00 a bd.ft. Since then they signed a contract with a Chinese buyer (or a buyer for the Chinese to be exact) who committed to buying their whole production at $2.65 a bd.ft. in the log unseen, ungraded..
Since the load I carry home is 4x4x6 it's not a full cord but rather somewhat less, except when I cut it to length and stack it, it's over a full cord.. when they bundle it up they make the bundle as compact as possible and I'm not so careful when I stack it.
I suppose a stack of boards 4x4x6 is less than a cord of firewood technically but I'm willing to bet there isn't any differance by weight and since a cord is nebulus at best with regard to how tight it's required to be stacked I'll stand by the fact that I haul home a cord of wood.
A cord is supposed to contain 100 cubic feet of solid wood. The 128 cubic foot standard measure allows for airspace when stacked.
That's probably the best definition I've heard of a cord of wood. I can stack wood several ways and the pile is a differant size every time I stack it.. Can't really do it by weight because every stick of wood has a differant density depending on a lot of factors such as the tightness of grain, number of knots, moisture content, Variety of wood, etc..
Can't do it by BTU for the same reason.
100 cu f.t of zero air space makes sense.
I've given up asking for a face chord. When i call of pricing and i ask the cost for a face chord, the usual response i get is "what ??".
I have the same problem with ordering soil, sand, or concrete. Everyone seems to call it a yard instead of a cubic yard. I won't even try asking for a cubic metre.
Some people around here refer to it as a "face" rather than a face cord.Steve
I've given up asking for a face chord. When i call of pricing and i ask the cost for a face chord, the usual response i get is "what ??".
Same here.
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#3, his prices were comparable to everyone else's ($85 delivered and stacked) hereabouts
#4, nice mix of seasoned wood: hedge, mulberry, locust, cherry, elm, hackberry, etc."
It doesnt take much to make you happy does it ?
That sounds smart a but its not .
Just goes to show some of us are very lucky while others are not .
Tim
Arkansas.... the land of hickory, oak, and hedge. And the land of mild winters.
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sooo......
how's that firewood holding out?
looking at that pict, I'd say it would last me about 4 days under the current conditions -
we did go and cut yesterday - it was beautiful out, even with or maybe because of the ice - two trailer loads of ash -
today, not so much - got to play furnace mechanic over at dad's house - it was down to about 35* in there before I got the 98% propane unit working again (clogged drain line) -
today I've kept two stoves in the house going, along with another in the barn - fruit room is holding at 28* - wouldn't be a big deal, except for the wind -
sooo......
how's that firewood holding out?
Gawd this stuff is going to spoil me. Some of it is so dry that I don't even need kindling to start a new fire. Little bit of newspaper and away it goes!
How is it holding out? Well, I had nearly that much (as in the pic) prior to his delivery. And his second load was a bit larger than the first. So of the approx 3 face cords, I have around 1.5 left. but that is the project house, so it isn't burning 24/7.
we did go and cut yesterday - it was beautiful out, even with or maybe because of the ice - two trailer loads of ash -
That's a lotta dang.... oh, wait a minute.... You mean 'ash' as in a type of firewood, not as in the residue left AFTER burning the firewood. Is this for next year?
today I've kept two stoves in the house going, along with another in the barn - fruit room is holding at 28* - wouldn't be a big deal, except for the wind -
Sounds like we've got the same weather over here. Right now its 3F and windy. I got my super parka out and was outside playing around for a while. Parka works. I might look like a dork, but by God i'm warm :)jt8
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Sheeze, I know those soapstone wood stoves are supposed to be good stoves, but $810 for a USED wood stove?!
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Besides which, isn't "AL" Alabama? Does it even get below freezing in Alabama? Why would someone need a fancy wood stove down there?jt8
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"I'd say it would last me about 4 days under the current conditions -"Yah!Woke up to 3-4 feet of drifted outside every door here. Wind chills below zero this weekend. We weree off playing Santa for about 30 hours and the house was down to about 48° when we got home. Two stove a cranking full blast to warm it about pne or two degrees per hour last night....Gotta get dressed to go plow now...
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No central heat to back up the wood stoves?
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Oh yeah, we got a good boiler and a tank full of oil and hydronic heat in slab cellar, then baseboard heat upstairs.So 2/3s of the cellar was about 65, but the wife has this thing where if the house gets too warm, she thinks that turning the thermostat on the heat system down to 45 will cool the house off some. Normally when we go away, I check to be sure it is at 65, but I forgot.Women! Good old gal, but some things she just doesn't get.Like the day I came home to find five boxes of kindling all gone and her complaining, "that firewood just doesn't last very long! Something must be wrong with it!"me - "That's cause you were walking past the firewood to use the kindling instead. I know it is smaller and easier to handle, but..."Some things you just gotta do yourself.'course I use the same trick with the dishwasher or making the bed. I just can't seem to do it 'right' so she doesn't let me do it at all...;)
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-4F with 24mph winds (whatever that windchill works out to) for the next two days and I'VE GOT THE WOOD STOVE DISCONNECTED. Sheeze, talk about bad timing. Lets watch that gas meter spin!
The attic insulation wasn't much of a priority with the woodstove keeping the house a reasonable temp, but when I'm paying for natural gas...
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"talk about bad timing."ya - well - I've got a friend that came here last week from Florida to work a job for 3 weeks - not sure he could have picked a more difficult three weeks to deal with - right about 0* now, but no wind yet, despite what the National Weather Service says is happening - "there's enough for everyone"
I've got a healthy wood pile, a good wood stove, cold weather outdoors....and I'm not burning. <sigh> Why do I keep waiting for a knock on the door and someone demanding a membership card back ;)
My electronic dealie says 2 outside right now. I'm not sure what it will do in the negatives, have to wait and see. The old one I've got out at the project house kinda freaks out when it gets below 15 or so.
They are now saying down to -5 for tonight. I don't think the winds are quite as bad right now though. Not 20-24. Plenty cold enough for me though. Good night to be bundled up in the nice, warm waterbed!jt8
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I wish you'd stop talking about how warm it is there.. 24 below when I woke up. It hasn't been above freezing since mid July.. <grin>.
I'll probably regret saying this, but usually I'd rather it stayed cold than to keep going up and down. Then you get snow instead of ice. You know how to dress. You just adjust to it.jt8
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"I'll probably regret saying this, but usually I'd rather it stayed cold than to keep going up and down. "
Your a sic man . <G>
Tim
Love that crunch on tramped down snow.
You're right, not too bad here either-no wind period here on the hill-usually a bit more draft when you stick your head up above the river valley.
The birds are carrying the seed away in tote sacks I think.
It just might be too damn cold to walk to the idiot Friday nite.
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Guess I forgot to wipe the wood stove off prior to firing it up. Nice combination of drywall mud, ceiling texture goo, paint, ash, sawdust, and regular dust. Oh well, dusty it may be but it still puts out a lot of heat.
I didn't want the hearth pad to become a project of its own, so I opted for a very simple layout. An "L" in 6" tile, a square of 12" tiles and fill the center with the 6". It is around 54" square with a corner clipped. The clipped corner was the only tile to get cut. As noted in the other post, I still need to put on the edge trim.
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I had laid the tile out on a piece of cardboard to get the size to cut the substrate. It fit nicely except for jutting out a bit on the clipped corner. I haven't decided whether to wack that or simply cover it with the edge trim. As you can tell, tile isn't my forte. My grout lines didn't line up as well as I would have liked, but I can live with it. I had gotten several extra boxes of the slate so that I could pick and choose and get a variety of colors and textures.
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I tried to get a pic of the substate. 1/2 plywood ($10) plus 1/2 Micore (about $30/sheet) plus 1/4 Hardibacker ($10). Don't know if this is the best way to do it, but it works for me.
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Nice.Think of all the firewood you have saved this winter by having that unhooked!;)
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Think of all the firewood you have saved this winter by having that unhooked!
And Ameren sends me a thank you letter once a month.
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Hey!!! That's my stove!!...Looks good. I bet it helps dry out that DW mud.What's your plan for (trying) to distribute the heat? I ended up with an up-draft ceiling fan that works reasonalby well.Scott.
Looks good, and warm... is that slate flakey? I did a hearth, and the HOs picked something very similar. The stuff is so chippy, had to make a Tee shaped trim to lip over the edge so it won't disintegrate<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
that's all wrong - but craftsmanship is fine - "there's enough for everyone"
Oh buddy, yer tellin' me? Electric fireplace w/ flat screen, ei yi yi... this is what we started with... that's one big teevee, used to be 3 others above it... hard to desecrarate those McMansions<G> The Klipsh speakers were nice, though.http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Did you notice the wood pile pic that Sailfish posted? Wonder how long it took to stack?
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is that slate flakey?
I rejected most of the worst offenders (shame too because I missed out on some neat textures/colors). On Splintergroupie's advice, I sealed the tops of the tile prior to grouting and then put two coats of sealer on the whole thing after grouting. Maybe the sealer will keep the flaking to a minimum (not really, but I can pretend).
Fake slate wouldn't have the flake problem but I find fake slate about as appealing at plastic wood.
The stuff is so chippy, had to make a Tee shaped trim to lip over the edge so it won't disintegrate<G>
Do you have a closer shot of the trim? Tim the trim guy gave me a piece of "L" trim that might work (cover the side edge and top edge), but I'm open to suggestions. I had thought about buying some of the Bruce molding to match the hardwood floor, but I couldn't bring myself to spend $20-40 for 6' pieces.
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You got a table saw right?
Rip flooring and make an L for the trim..or get some 8/4 oak and saw it outta that. 2 passes and yer done. well, 3 the first rip to make a square.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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What's your plan for (trying) to distribute the heat? I ended up with an up-draft ceiling fan that works reasonalby well.
That room has a ceiling fan. The stove is near the doorway to the hallway (to the left) and there is (to the right) about a 7-8' opening to the k/dr, so the heat migrates fairly well into the hall and k/dr. I had the HVAC guy put in a big cold air return in the ceiling near the wood stove. If I flip on the furnace fan, it will draw that heat throughout the house (at least in theory).
Supposed to be blowing cellulose into the attic tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how the stove performs once the house is fully insulated. LOL, I need a REAL cold day or two to let it stretch its legs. jt8
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>>>LOL, I need a REAL cold day or two to let it stretch its legs.I can't remember the BTU rating of the stove, but I can tell you that we've heated 2400 sq. ft. for four years now without ever turning on the furnace. Lows for us hit -18 C.The one big lesson I've learned is that these EPA stoves really benefit from well-seasoned wood. I now cut all my wood in the Spring so it drys for at least six months.Happy heating.Scott.
You need an ell shape, like someone mentioned... maybe just straight. Tall enough to protect the slate edge, but not be a toe stumper.http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
I can't remember the BTU rating of the stove, but I can tell you that we've heated 2400 sq. ft. for four years now without ever turning on the furnace. Lows for us hit -18 C.
It nearly drove me out of the house Saturday. When I got out there it was in the low 30's outside and 53 inside, so I fired up the wood stove. By noonish, it was 50 outside and over 80 in the LR (mid to upper 70's in the rest of the house). I left the garage door open to suck a bit of the heat off.
And that was BEFORE we insulated the attic Sunday. Friend joked that I'd be able to heat the place with one log. He might not be too far off ;)
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The Uncle I farm with has a small wood stove in his house. (No other heat source) The house is well insulated, with 2X6 walls and a lot of insulation in the attic. During the winter I can hardly stand to be in the house. The fire in the stove is never large. But it's enough to do the job. So your friend might be right.
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Oh yeah! Now yer cookin' with Crisco!
Nice look.
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I just hope my loader shows up tomorrow morning (volunteer labor). I'm ready to get that dang attic insulated. 115 bales await. Should put my R into the low 40's. If I end up moving into the house, I might go back and push it to R60, but 40's is good enough for now.
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That looks real good. Have Tim mill it for you out of hardwood and paint it black. When you empty the stove the ash will blend right in with the trim.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
That looks real good. Have Tim mill it for you out of hardwood and paint it black. When you empty the stove the ash will blend right in with the trim.
That is what I'm thinking of doing. What finish of black paint do you think would work the best? I'm a fan of flat for helping to blend things in, but I don't want the ash to "chalk" it. jt8
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Last home had a Waterford stove set in a fireplace. Heated very nicely.
But the real deal was a lot of local white oak and a pallet manufacturer who used that and sold seasoned cutoffs cheaply for firewood.
A dumptruck load was $100 delivered. Stacking was a job and it didn't stack to a full cord size. On the other hand, the stack had a lot less air space in it than an ordinary cord of wood.
The place looks a bit different than last time I was there.(-:
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The place looks a bit different than last time I was there.
Just a bit. The light at the end of the tunnel gets a little brighter with each work day.
Friend who turned up today to help with the insulation was good for 130 bales. I'll have to do the calculation to figure what estimate that puts the R at. Good thing it wasn't too hot today. jt8
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I'm looking to do something similar to what you have done, but with a smaller stove. My concern is the heat affecting the two walls adjacent to the stove. What have you done to keep the walls from heating up to unsafe temps? I was considering brick walls, but if you don't have a problem with yours, I may reconsider. Thanks!
Check the manufacturer's setbacks on the stove you select. Many have double walls to deflect heat at the sides and rear. I have a Regency woodstove which is installed 6" from the unprotected back wall. In the 12 years I have used it the drywall has never been more than pleasantly warm to the touch.
My stove is a Napoleon 1400. Combined with double wall stove pipe, it is designed for small clearances. The sides, back, and much of the top is enclosed in sheet metal that sounds a bit like a steel drum if you wrap on it with your knuckle. The cast iron or heavy steel of the actual stove is within.
If this embedded pic comes up, the tan portions of the box are shielding and black portions are the actual stove (the pedistal is all sheet metal):
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I have no proof, but I tend to suspect that these shielded stoves don't put off quite as much heat as unshielded ones, but in my case the close clearances were more important than sheer heat output. As it is, I suspect it will put out far more heat than I need.
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"I tend to suspect that these shielded stoves don't put off quite as much heat as unshielded ones,"The passive radiant heat is reduced by the shield, but if used with the optional fan, the heat output via convection is higher net btus delivered in most of them.
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Ok, I promise to not rub it in too hard..but loading, hauling and unloading ( I just take it off the truck as needed mostly) I wind up with this for 50 bucks.
Maple, Hickory, Walnut, Oak, and Cherry. I wish it was split a LITTLE smaller, and was a little more seasoned, but we go thru it so fast..I can't be too picky. With the temps like we just had, this is 2 weeks worth.
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I've cut two loads of firewood - 1 yesterday, 1 today -
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felt real good - split the rounds by hand - delivered to a friend who had heart surgery a while back - like a dummy, I didn't take any picts in the woods - just forgot - it was about the perfect day to work in the woods -
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hopefully get back there tomorrow - altho a few inches of snow/sleet/rain is predicted tonight -
here's my friend's stash -
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here's what I'm burning right now - Ash I cut last week on the floor, white oak that's been in the woodshed a year in the box -
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life is good...."there's enough for everyone"
Nice to have plenty of wood. I'm not jealous at the moment though because my stove is temporarily disconnected while I put flooring down.
I also have to decide on the final hearth. Something that I can take up later if I sell the house and the new owner doesn't like the stove. but it has to look good now.
The granite guy wanted $800 for a 54" square piece with a corner clipped, all polished and delivered. I tried not to laugh at him. Besides, I didn't really want a 1.5" slab. Looked like a toe stubber to me.
The lumber yard carries those pre-cut pieces of 3/4" granite, which I would be tempted by however even if I have them cut a piece in half, I'm only looking at around 50x48 and I'd really like to get it closer to 54 square.
I guess some kind of tile would be the next suggestion, but I don't really want to spend a whole buttload of time on it.
jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
re: your hearth - might consider sheet metal - have your shop cut steel (stiff - I don't remember the gauge) to fit your corner, cut sheetrock the same dimensions, lay the sheetrock on the floor and the metal on top of it, then edge with wood tacked to the floor - not necessarily cheap, but less than $100 total - "there's enough for everyone"
I did make it back to the woods today - not early and only for a couple of hours - that new ford across the drainage lets me get to an area I've wanted to work -
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about a hundred yards further on there is a Burr Oak I call a 'heritage tree' - one of three trees on the farm that date to/before white occupation of the real estate
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the abstract of title for this property dates from 1827, when the property (along with a lot more) was conveyed from the United States to the State of Indiana - in 1834, the property was conveyed to 'D Watts and T Holcombe', who I suspect were land speculators - from them to 'Almon and Caroline Riddle' in 1837 - Riddle's actually lived here - across the road to the north - they are buried in the cemetery on this farm - they sold four 80 acre sections to my ancestor Ezekial Reed in 1854 (@$1/acre) -
anyway, a long story to get to the three oak trees - there's a pict posted in the Peachfest threads of the one we walk to - this one is across the creek and a little further downstream - I've counted rings on similar specimens in the area as they were cut - they are 160 year old plus - so they were young right when the area was settled by whites -
they also are spreading - when they were young, it wasn't a forest situation - they were stand alone specimens - interesting, if you're interested in natural history -
I have my theories -
anyway, the forest has grown up around this Oak, crowding, shading and out competing the veteran - just as I did for the Chinquapin Oak on this side of the creek, I wanted to clear out the competition and let the old tree go for a while longer - it ought to be good for another 50-100 years -
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the biggest offender was a black walnut - I laid it down - ended up with 8', 12', and 18' sawlogs - tho the 18' will in all likelyhood be sawn in two -
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nearby was a Honeylocust - two logs out of it - I'm not going to show you the one I hung up - grrr - I was trying to miss a small Burr Oak (almost certainly a progeny of the big tree) and the top of the tree I was felling just caught a limb of a neighbor and slid right over and into a crotch - upside is I did miss the Oak -
I guess I will show it, before l left it resting in another - it's the large leaner in this photo - the young burr oak is the gray bark hiding behind the box elder in the foreground -
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off to the SE is a little drainage that leads up a few hundred yards into the wooded upland - lots of poplar, a bit of beech, basswood, cherry - etc - nice place and a good day to spend a little time there
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ya - I like it here -"there's enough for everyone"
I was beginning to thnk you had a stand of only ash.
I wish I had more access to it . I dont have any on my wood lot . Brother has several. I always wondered why somne areas didnt have any and some ample. This area never has stands of ash for some odd reason.
I've been working on ash real hard the last couple of years - the Emerald Ash Borer (exotic import from China) is 30 miles away - I figure to see it here, and maybe sooner rather than later - hate to think about losing Ash from the woods, but it will probably happen - that and the fact that Ash burns well green....I've been removing 'marginal' trees that won't make good saw logs for the most part - there are several species of Ash - distribution is dependent on local micro-climates, not to mention the activities of man - we live at the dividing line between the glacial outwash plain (flat corn fields) to the south, and the glacial pothole region (small hills, with small lakes) to the north - the pothole region is mainly Oak-Hickory climax forest, while the outwash plain is mainly Beech-Maple climax forest - two distinctly different forest communities - here at the edge, we have a bit of everything - "there's enough for everyone"
Nice little corner of the world you got there. How is the new vehicle holding up? Looks like a good area to log with horses or mules, how are you going to get those walnut logs out?
jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
I like the Daihatsu - it's quick - it is a little 'complicated' underneath, and I have to watch and keep brush/sticks out of the trails - the spot I'm working now is well over 1/2 of a mile from my house as I have to travel to get there (because of the creek) - get the tractor out of the shed, hook to the trailer, load up, travel back there is most of a half hour job - not much more than a 5 minute job with this little truck - not to mention the cab and heater in the truck - got lots of jobs kinda like that - I'm happy so far - but haven't had to aquire any repair parts yet....I've got a set of log tongs for skidding - they attach to the 3-point hitch on the tractor - I was looking today for the area stage the logs - need a level, somewhat open spot to set up the sawmill - somewhere on this side of that drainage - need to get my lumberjacking done in the next couple of weeks while the ground is frozen and before I start orchard work - "there's enough for everyone"
need to get my lumberjacking done in the next couple of weeks while the ground is frozen and before I start orchard work -
So what you're saying is that you're just having 'fun' in the off season? Some folks like sunshine and sandy beaches... others like forrest trails and falling beech.
On a side note, I have to admit that your mention of a metal hearth a few posts up has been making me think, "hmm".
I can't figure out why I didn't think of it myself? The temporary hearth I've been using is a $30 metal pad I got from Menards... so it wouldn't be that much of a leap to imagine a custom size (but not in the same metal "wood grain").
So far only made contact with one place but they only do regular sheet and galvanized (I think their main focus is custom HVAC type stuff). But it makes me wonder what options might be out there. Wonder if something with a brushed finish could be found. Or wonder what something in copper would look like?
jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
"So what you're saying is that you're just having 'fun' in the off season? "'to everything, there is a season' - tis the season of firewood, lumberjacking, and whiskey drinking - I can work the woods over the frozen ground without making ruts and getting dirt on the logs - leaves the woods uncorrupted - some of the ugliest land use you'll see is skidding logs in March - not to mention the work keeps me warm, even on the cold days - I've got a bit of hickory to cut, I need some slabs for house trim - the walnut logs in the picts will probably end up as siding - I've got to think ahead and make sure I have stock for all the upcoming projects - "there's enough for everyone"
Your obvious respect and appreciation for the land and natural resources is an admirable trait.
Every car, truck and tractor in America should run on natural gas- it's the future.
thank you - "there's enough for everyone"
'to everything, there is a season' - tis the season of firewood, lumberjacking, and whiskey drinking -
I think you left one off.jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
Cutting and burning walnut?????
You gonna make me cry!!!!!
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re: your hearth -
might consider sheet metal - have your shop cut steel (stiff - I don't remember the gauge) to fit your corner, cut sheetrock the same dimensions, lay the sheetrock on the floor and the metal on top of it, then edge with wood tacked to the floor -
not necessarily cheap, but less than $100 total -
Grant, have you done any metal hearths? Any idea what gauge steel/copper I would ask for? And if instead of edging it with wood, I simply have the metal guys bend an edge on the metal is that going to greatly jack up the price?
I should go dig up some of your copper counter pics and try to imagine it as a 54"x54" (with clipped corner) hearth.
jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
Copper is low now, under 2.oo /pound. I'd go for it. It can be had in 4x8, 2x10, and 3x10 AFAIK. It can also be seamed for larger sizes. I would think 20 OZ would be a bit better than 16 OZ.
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I don't think what Doud was describing would pass muster, unless I'm miss-understanding. You need a low conducting fireproof mass (like Durock) to protect the floor and something hard (like steel or tile) to protect it. Copper would be a poor choice due to it's conducting properties and malleability.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Along that line of reasoning I have gotten High Temp. insulation board from a kiln supply outfit to use under zero clearance boxes. Extremely high thermal resistance values and meets all the codes.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Yeah, that sounds right. I used to sell those "stove boards" that had that material wrapped with sheet metal. Haven't seen them in a while, but I haven't been looking. Worked well, pretty ugly.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Second metal guy suggested copper (which he doesn't do) or find someone getting rid of a pool table and use the slate from it.
Yeah, that sounds right. I used to sell those "stove boards" that had that material wrapped with sheet metal. Haven't seen them in a while, but I haven't been looking. Worked well, pretty ugly.
They are alive and well. Still available at Menards as of a couple weeks ago. Who have these things ever fooled? Wood grain sheet metal is always attractive. And the brick sheet metal one even more so. I've been using one as my temporary hearth for the last couple winters (pic) but now I'd like something more attractive.
I don't have any idea what gauge the metal is, but the whole thing doesn't weigh much. I believe it is just a sheet metal sandwich with some stiff substance in the middle.
You don't think a similar item made from copper would be a good idea? Cut cementboard to fit the shape of the copper and just set the copper over that. Similar to the stove board but without the sheet metal underside.
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jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
Copper will work. It's gonna ding pretty easy on the floor. Other materials look better for longer.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
OK, I was wrong. The stove board isn't a sheet metal sandwich. Just metal on top with an edge that curls around the bottom edge. the bottom is just the exposed core material. I have no idea what the material is, but is seems less impressive than cementboard. You can scratch it off with your fingernail.
My current, "what is the hearth going to be?" has slate in the lead followed by copper followed by some tile pattern. The pool table slate was a neat idea, but the few table slates I've seen were smaller pieces, so I'd probably have to push two pieces together. The copper, as you mention, is soft and would booger easy (so boggering would have to be taken into the 'design'). The tile would be the most labor intensive.
Under the listing of TMI, stove board people:
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God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
That material is far superior to cement board for in it's ability to protect a wood floor from fire. Cement board actually offers little protection when a hot fire is burning for a prolonged period of time.
Cement board will protect from sparks however.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
That material is far superior to cement board for in it's ability to protect a wood floor from fire.
Any idea what it is? Is is something that can be purchased at Lowes or a lumberyard?jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
just salvage some crumbly asbestos off an old heating system and use that...."there's enough for everyone"
It's probably a mineral fiber board. There's one called Micore that people use for that (micore.com).Various non-combustible sheet stock like Durock or paperless drywall will also work, as long as it meets the r-value needed.
I don't know for certain . But as has been posted , most likely a mineral fiberboard like Micor.
Micor can be gotten from kiln supply outlets.
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I agree. The cement board does little to stop heat transfer.
I have a soapstone woodstove set on a stone hearth. Stone is probably about 1" thick on top of a bed of mortar.
Beneath the mortar is the cement board, a 3/4" sheet of advantek, and then another 3/4" of advantek subfloor.
After burning for a while the underside of my subfloor (basement ceiling) can get very warm to the touch. Has concerned me and I try not to crank the stove wide open as I am afraid it will get the subfloor too hot. Maybe I'm worrying for nothing.
Someone suggested a metal hearth. Be careful as I suspect that would get extremely hot to the touch.
Have you considered a stone surround? You would have a little time invested but the stone could probably be fairly inexpensive (maybe free depending on where you are). But aesthetically it has a nice look.
On a side note, I've enjoyed reading this thread. I love wood heat and I'm glad to hear there are others who actually enjoy the process of cutting and splitting, hauling, and burning. Although by February, I'm ready for spring.
Stay warm everyone :)I've never learned much while I was talking
geeze, that stove must take a pretty big piece. Some of the pieces in that ring rack look pretty long.
jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
'bout 18" - no more than 20" - my stoves need relatively short pieces - after 30 years of cutting firewood, I can't saw any longer than 18" if I try - tho occasionally if I'm working on a big trunk I have a harder time consistently hitting that 18" mark - I've analyzed it and I want to cut to 'square', so if the trunk is 22" diameter, my chunks tend to end up about 22" long - don't work that size wood very often - "there's enough for everyone"
I paid 120.00 per cord tree length dry cut last may delivered Oct. a lot of work but I cant say I like it but I do love using my Stihl 361 chainsaw. when I sharpen my chains ( I rotate 3 )using a 20 in bar it cuts through anything I throw at it. and I heat my house with a HS Tarn wood boiler in my basement. and it heats our whole house. Because I'm heating my whole house basement 1st and 2nd floors I do go through a lot of wood. so far 4 and 1/2 cords and expect to burn another 3 to 4 cords but maybe less as when temps in the upper 20s and up I use way less wood. Today is Jan 13 and its 34 degrees out at 11:35 pm (night) and I used 1/2 of what I used on days last week at single digits. so by late Feb and March I will use a lot less wood. and around here a cord is cut split stacked 4' deep by 4' tall by 8 ft long. Because of the boiler It doesn't get as dry as with a wood stove because its in the basement and my floors are warm and my basement is very comfortable. Cut split & dry around here got up around 315.00 per cord now its down around 225.00 250.00 a cord . .....Stay warm guys....
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ya - I got a 361 in Nov of 2007 - put a 24" bar on it, which makes it a little nose heavy when carrying, but is the bar length I need for the 'mid-sized' saw - plenty of power - haven't gotten used to the single 'off-on-throttlelock-choke' switch - wish it had a separate choke control - and I question the fuel and oil caps lasting 20 years - we'll see - shop work today - got a few inches of snow and it's cold - they keep forecasting 15-30 mph winds to blow the snow around, but it's calm right now - keeping three stoves going - "there's enough for everyone"
That's about what I'd heard on prices Vic. Some paid as much as 350 for good dry hardwood at one point.I have an oil boiler that takes over when we go away and does the hot water. Only used about 75 gallons of it since end of summer, and maybe two cords of hardwood.Sounds like you have one of those old drafty houses to use so much wood! First place I rented when we moved here took me 600 gallons of fuel and ten cords of wood to get thru my first winter. I found a smaller, tighter house to rent the next couple years.
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your right about an old drafty house. old windows , we own the house and the wood is cheap as long as I keep cutting it. if we had a mortgage or rent plus cost of living I would have to look for different circumstances. I want to start replacing the old windows over the next few years. that would help with cutting wood usage. also Im building a large hot water storage tank in the basement about 750 gals that the wood boiler will feed then we would draw heat that is stored in mass of hot water. Thanks for the reply Piffin. Take careCarpentry and remodeling
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