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   kcoyner | May 19, 2006 05:57am | #1

   If you must cover the window trim, it is best done before the channels and siding are installed.  He may be waiting for his brake that is on another job.  Contrary to ordinary thinking, water gets behind vinyl siding.  Any water that gets behind the siding runs down the old siding.  When it gets to the tops of the windows and other openings that are not properly flashed, guess where it goes.  He probably will say  "don't worry I'll cork 'er up". 

   k

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   Matarazzo | May 19, 2006 04:27pm | #2

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   888 858 8782 ext 126

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   Matarazzo | May 19, 2006 04:30pm | #3

   how do you properly flash a window frame  do you frame front and both sides of wood

   as well as bend it back and nail to plywood so that the j channel sits on top of the alum that is flush to plywood?

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   rez | May 19, 2006 07:37pm | #4

   Greetings M, and Welcome to Breaktime.

   Readers will need you to supply a few more informative details in order to gauge your situation.

   By stating plywood in one of your posts, is this new construction?

   Does flush to the plywood mean there is no housewrap or felt paper?

   What type of siding is it that you are having installed?

   Any other more specific details will be helpful.

   If at all possible post a picture here.

   Cheers

   half of good living is staying out of bad situations

   Edited 5/19/2006 12:54 pm ET by rez

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   Matarazzo | May 19, 2006 08:27pm | #5

   its an older house

    

   flush to tyvek

    

   crane vinyl siding

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   rez | May 19, 2006 09:07pm | #6

   guys,

   He's sweating bullets.

    

    

   be Any assist from the ranks?

   half of good living is staying out of bad situations

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   Stilletto | May 19, 2006 10:10pm | #7

   After he sides the house it will be to late to do a good job.  I always wrap the windows first then j-channel the windows. 

   Problem with doing it the way your contractor is doing this is when you j-channel first the wrap the windows the aluminum pushes the j away from your windows creating a gap that will need to be caulked and caulk looks like crap a year down the road.  And it will cause the mitres in the j-channel corners to seperate also resulting in a bad appearance.

   I wonder how he would get a drip cap on top of the window after the j is on?  He should wrap the windows then j the windows cutting the tyvek for the top j to slide behind the tyvek creating one solid drainage plain down the face of your house cause vinyl siding leaks at every opening in the house, the goal is to control how and where it's gonna leak. 

   Any other questions don't hesitate to ask!

   I only golf on days that end with a "Y".

   
   

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   Edited 5/19/2006 3:12 pm ET by Stilletto

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   Matarazzo | May 19, 2006 10:38pm | #8

   thanks for your help

    

   I have to talk to him

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   Flynnworx | May 20, 2006 03:46am | #9

   Vinyl SUCKS.

   Cement board rules!

   Cheap mechanics wreck houses.

   Thanks for the job security :)

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   Stilletto | May 20, 2006 03:24pm | #11

   I think cement board is a great product as well,  but it also has it's downfalls as vinyl siding does.  The butt joints in the field of a wall are kind of questionable unless you put flashing behind those as well.  Where the siding hits your corners and window trims you have to caulk and flash it properly for a good seal.

   In my mind both are good products if they are installed correctly,  by the sounds of it we both know there are alot of people saying good enough which is creating future problems for well meaning homeowners.

   Asphalt shingles are in the same boat as vinyl siding,  excellent product if the flashing and counterflashings are done right.  Water is going to find it's way past the first line of defense you have to put a second line in to guarantee the proper drainage. 

   People don't think once water gets in hows it going to get out,  relying on caulk isn't the right answer.  If the right steps are taken vinyl is a good exterior product,  if not it's not worth a wooden nickel at a bon fire.

   Just my opinion,  and probably get exiled from BT for it.  Have a good weekend.I only golf on days that end with a "Y".

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   blue_eyed_devil | May 20, 2006 04:20pm | #12

   Don't let the siding snobs scare you Stilletto.

   I've done a ton of both products and I really don't care what I'm putting on. For my own residences, I 've had both...still do.

   I've got a major repainting due on the Lake Huron resort property and I'm not looking forward to that...but it will look nide when it's refreshed. I get jealous of the guys with vinyl siding though...because they don't have to do anything.

   It's easy to be snobbish about the sidings, when you don't have to do the maintenance. Vinyl is the answer for those people that aren't in love with being slaves to their houses. It works for me....

   blue 

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   Stilletto | May 21, 2006 03:18am | #13

   I really like vinyl siding as well it's care-free once installed.  I've put miles of this stuff up and have learned the right way of installing it.  Never had a problem to this day.

   When I reside my 1000 sq ft. villa it's going to be real hard to justify double to triple the costs for cement board just to have to paint it semi-yearly.

   Anyway good luck with the repainting project take some pictures of the lake for us let us know what we are missing.I only golf on days that end with a "Y".

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   blue_eyed_devil | May 21, 2006 03:39pm | #15

   You don't have to miss anything Stilletto. You can rent the place for a week for a measley $2500. Oh wait....I know you'd nitpick everything and report all my flaws...I'll have to bump it an extra $50 for the aggravation factor. Or maybe you'll fix some of the flaws......okay, no upcharge.

   The AuSable River is in the background of the pic with the grandkid in it. The salmon, steelhead and walleye run up that river and the waters out front of my place are known as the best fishing hotspot in Northeast Mich. It's too bad I don't fish....

   blue 

   
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   Stilletto | May 21, 2006 05:06pm | #16

   $2500 a week sounds pretty steep,  I don't think I can swing it.  Beautiful place you have there.  $250 a week plus a punchlist is more like it. 

   I haven't seen Lake Huron in years, we used to go to Port Huron to visit my aunt and we'd go swimming then but its been awhile. 

    I wouldn't nit pick anything especially if it's been done by someone who's been in this business longer than I've been alive.  :)

    

   I only golf on days that end with a "Y".

   Edited 5/21/2006 3:58 pm ET by Stilletto

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   Stilletto | May 21, 2006 06:10pm | #17

   I missed the picture of your family, Kelly must take after her Mom.  :) 

   Is your grandsons name Cadex?  Don't they make 23 Gauge pin guns?  Thats no name for a framers grandson.  Stud would've been more better!  :)

   I only golf on days that end with a "Y".

   Edited 5/21/2006 11:12 am ET by Stilletto

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   blue_eyed_devil | May 22, 2006 06:33am | #18

   The grandson name is Cade. I don't know where that x came from.

   I'd take you up on that $250 plus a punchlist. Wait till you see the list! I'm going to make out on this one!

   blue

     

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   Jer | May 21, 2006 04:19am | #14

   Think like a raindrop. That's what I always do before installing any siding.
   I'm with you. No matter what you're installing , if done right, then it looks right and lasts.

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   Ronbaby | May 20, 2006 04:56am | #10

   is common where I live in Virginia, aluminum wrap is done last, after all siding.